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Related: About this forumNevada Militia Sets Up Armed Checkpoints, Demands to See Drivers' I.D.
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struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)By Sarah Fruchtnicht, Tue, April 29, 2014
Militia groups are setting up armed checkpoints in Clark County Nevada, where Cliven Bundys ranch is located, requiring residents to stop and show identification proving they live in the area before theyre allowed to pass.
Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., says some of the militia groups are from out of state. He is demanding a probe by Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie after the militiamen remained despite the fact that the government suspended confiscation of Bundy's cattle two weeks ago.
Horsford said his constituents are scared and the militia is maligning Bunkervilles peaceful reputation ...
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/locals-have-show-id-armed-militia-order-pass-bundy-ranch-video
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Are you "allowed" to pass?
I often travel from KC to southern California via I-15, which travels right through the center of Clark County. Will I be stopped? And if I refuse to show I.D., what happens?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Just kidding, I don't believe in that.
Leith
(7,809 posts)that put down the Whiskey Rebellion? Why would any "self respecting militiaman" imply that he respects Washington?
For guys who like to talk about local control by citizens, it sure seems odd that they would come in from hundreds or thousands of miles away to verify at gunpoint that local citizens prove that they live there before letting them proceed. I don't recall seeing mean ol' government officials doing that.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)These guys are criminals, plain and simple.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)He's just making stuff up!
"... to stand between the citizens... and the people
who have threatened their lives."
wandy
(3,539 posts)Teapublican democracy in action!
Just wait until the Teapublican wet dream of privatizing all public services comes true.
The local police department ought to be a real hoot.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)They can do anything they damn well please with impunity, apparently.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)he really believes what he's saying... that makes him psychotic
"Psychosis is a serious mental disorder characterized by thinking and emotions that are so impaired, that they indicate that the person experiencing them has lost contact with reality"
maggies farm
(79 posts)Cliven's great great grandfather is Dudley Leavitt.
[link:https://www.flickr.com/photos/123876692@N02/14065301241/|
Do you know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
"The militia, officially called the Nauvoo Legion, was composed of Utah's Mormon settlers (members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS Church). Intending to give the appearance of Native American aggression, their plan was to arm some Southern Paiute Native Americans and persuade them to join with a larger party of their own militiamendisguised as Native Americansin an attack. During the militia's first assault on the wagon train, the emigrants fought back and a five-day siege ensued. Eventually fear spread among the militia's leaders that some emigrants had caught sight of white men, and had likely discovered the identity of their attackers. As a result militia commander William H. Dame ordered his forces to kill the emigrants."
That is right. A Mormon polgaymist commune settled in Bunkerville around 1877. Some that came including Dudley Leavitt were people involved with the Mountain Meadows massacre. Mormons using indians (much like the Boston Tea Party) to kill white immigrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkerville,_Nevada
http://www.mesquitenv.gov/mesquite-highlights/history
This Conversation below occurred on : http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/blm-siege-at-bunkerville-the-real-story#comment-1359462690
Canada Free Press is a conservative Mormon site. About: "Espousing Conservative viewpoints, cornerstone of which focuses on love of God, love of family, love of country, CFP maintains a loyal and growing readership."
Arlene Jefry Tober 16 hours ago
You are not sure that maternal lineage legally matters? Are you serious?
The reason the 'place' was purchased in 1948 was that was when his parents were a young couple just starting out. Obviously family land was offered.
If you go to the BLM site you will see that the BLM did not get into tracking cattle on the lands in western states until the late 40s and into the 50s, so there is not record of who ran what cattle where before that point in time . . . often to the 70s in different areas. No one is going to have record of "IF" cattle were run on the land by family prior. I don't make too much of that.
Neither of my husband's grandparents had birth certificates. That doesn't mean that they were not born. It meant a heckuva time getting Metis certificates, mind you, in this world where people seem to believe if there was no paper record it did not happen . . . hard to explain the presence of his mother.
Cliven's ancestral rights come from these ancestors in this order: Cliven's mother Margaret Bodel JENSON-Bundy - (Cliven's grandmother), Margaret's mother; Abigail Christina ABBOTT-Jenson - (Cliven's great grandmother); Mary Jane LEAVITT-Abbott. (Abigail "Christina" Abbot-Jenson's mother); Cliven's great great grandfather Dudley Leavitt, (Mary Jane Leavitt-Abbott's father).
Rootsweb is the search for the certificates. This sight won't let me leave the link.
Jefry Tober Arlene 3 hours ago
Arlene it is a delight to be able to talk to someone about the history of this region. I always appreciate anything regarding history,settlement of the west, Native Americans, homestead, etc. I am most interested in learning how Bundy and his relations interacted with the Paiute.
From the Mormon perspective they were bullied by non mormons and the US government.
From the Paiute perspective the Mormon monopolized the water and brought in too many cows and overgrazed the area.
From the white perspective we were murdered in schemes like the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
You have water rights affiliated to your real property nothing more and that is on paper. This is NOT the State of Deseret. We told you once and we will tell you again and again. No you can not make a theocratic state out of our country. You were once citizens of our country before the fraud of your religion was imagined.
You trashed the desert with your cows and I have been working for 30 years to end that.
A Mormon judge ruled against Clivens crazy talk. Better find better lawyers because I personally find you and Cliven a threat with your guns and Militia's - not the US government - me. Get your damn cows off public land and keep it on your private land. It is long done Clark County has the grazing allotment. You know it I know it. You need to get out of 1877 and move into 2014. I think you would have more savvy if you thought of it as a matter of overpopulation rather environment.
Mining fizzled in 1905, grazing fizzled in 1993 (which is Bundy's damn fault). recreation brings in more dollars. FACT. maybe that Bunkervile commune might invest their cattle herd to the Mormon polygamy sects in canada or mexico.
If Bundy has a right why not the Paiute?
Arlene the whole story is going to come out. I sure hope there are no child brides on that ranch. Right now you are riding on a wave of novelty coupled with frustration of cronyism and dysfunction of this government. You are capitalizing on a lie and a fraud. Reid and BLM are no saints either but not those Bundys/Leavits.
For the American public this appeared out of nowhere, but we in the west know this has been brewing for quiet awhile. We The People need a public discovery of ALL of the facts. All of the players Bundy, Clark County, BLM, Reid etc etc etc
Whatever proof Bundy has regarding his illusionary water rights he better prove it. All of this legal mumbo jumbo.... The Bunkerville Mormon commune stole the water from the Paiute. You know they do ceremony up in that allotment to this day correct?
2naSalit
(86,610 posts)Thanks for posting.
Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)I'd suggest "My Struggle" as the title.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Over reach of the militia? It is one thing to protect one"s property but setting up on public roads is another. What happened to the rights of his neighbors?
livingonearth
(728 posts)I thought Bundy got his cattle back already.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)These guys are half-pint thugs, not militia.
Also, per good NRA practice, I believe that if some armed goober approaches my vehicle without my invitation, it's my patriotic duty to blow his effing head off.
This is what comes of cutting back on the public's access to mental health services countrywide. Oh, and putting guns in the hands of people too stupid to wipe their own behinds.
randr
(12,412 posts)I would assume it to be totally illegal for anyone to obstruct a public roadway.
oneofthe99
(712 posts)They are not stopping people and cars in check points on public roadways
Heathen57
(573 posts)this guy gets off blocking my f***ing road? I and every other citizen in the state and nation has paid for that road in taxes. I would love to take a ATV out there onto the BLM land (with a camera crew of course) and drive up and down right on the boundary of his land and see what they say.
Someone is going to get shot down there and when it happens, that will give the authorities to go in and break up their little camp out.
Owl
(3,642 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)They would like to see everyone leave peacefully. The reporter asked what that would take. The reporter is asking the terrorist what his demands are.
The terrorist said, that he wants all the lands that were stolen from the Bundy's be returned.
As far as I know, no lands were stolen from the Bundy's.
He also said something about the public lands being restored to the public.
That is clearly a Koch talking point that he has been programed to say. He has no idea what that means.
El Shaman
(583 posts)drones laying around , Mr. President!!??
Leith
(7,809 posts)Mesquite is the next town over. It's a little bigger and has hotels, stores, etc., but business hasn't been good lately. There have been reports of bomb threats and a significant drop in revenue. Link.
From KLAS Channel 8, Las Vegas:
Hotels in Mesquite say they have already lost more than a $100,000 in business because of armed militia groups patrolling Bunkerville.
8 News NOW has learned Mesquite Police are investigating death threats to hotel staffers following a bomb threat earlier this month. The threats were reportedly called in by supporters of Cliven Bundy, the Bunkerville rancher battling over his cattle with the Bureau of Land Management
It keeps getting worse and worse.
drm604
(16,230 posts)But then I wouldn't expect intelligent behavior from these types.
villager
(26,001 posts)At the government's hand.
drm604
(16,230 posts)People from out of state; people who don't live there; are demanding that people show ID proving local residence? How about if they show ID proving local residence? Fair is fair.
jamejest
(37 posts)If I was a federal law enforcement officer I would be smiling and gathering all the intell on these thugs and their organizations
(by monitoring their communications) I could. Then I would use that intell to break the back of these traitors and the tyranny they
would try to impose on us. Bullies with guns - show them no mercy!
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)This is what happens to children who grow up eating processed sugar cereals. There! We all knew it was inevitable.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He likens Bundy to George Washington based on the things he has said. You mean what he said about the negro? How about when he said he doesn't recognize the United States government? Real George Washington like.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)weissmam
(905 posts)have Glen Beck on a do loop