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EarlG

(21,947 posts)
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:34 PM Aug 2014

Pic Of The Moment: Militarized Cops: The Wingnut's Dilemma




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Pic Of The Moment: Militarized Cops: The Wingnut's Dilemma (Original Post) EarlG Aug 2014 OP
Cognative dissonance? No problem! immoderate Aug 2014 #1
Wingnuts: "Because bla...er the CITIZENS are the thugs, hurr durr" nt alp227 Aug 2014 #2
To be fair, our side does it too. christx30 Aug 2014 #3
The difference is our side doesn't point guns at the cops Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #5
Cops? terdheadur Aug 2014 #9
Those who break windows and loot are not on my side Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #11
I don't defend looting, BUT . . . markpkessinger Aug 2014 #18
please link to reliable, legitimate sources about the looting, and who is doing it. niyad Aug 2014 #19
"Our side" haha, yeah. Fucking. Right. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #30
You may can are you cute? terdheadur Aug 2014 #31
But did you support the cops/Feds christx30 Aug 2014 #20
Yes, I support the feds going after armed militia groups that point guns at federal agents Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #21
The Missourians are protesting police violence. intheflow Aug 2014 #23
I hate all jackbooted thugs. christx30 Aug 2014 #26
I thought they should've found a way to cut his power and water... Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #27
Not because of racial issues Hugabear Aug 2014 #6
And I could point to a bunch of posts christx30 Aug 2014 #7
Exactly billhicks76 Aug 2014 #15
AGREED terdheadur Aug 2014 #8
Who Wanted Jackbooted Thugs to Mow Down the Bundys with Bullets? Leith Aug 2014 #13
Nobody, or no more than one or two idiots. arcane1 Aug 2014 #14
That wasn't lost on me. kjones Aug 2014 #10
Exactly. SoapBox Aug 2014 #4
Thanks EarlG! littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #12
Hold your horses....looks like the militia is on its way. Tsiyu Aug 2014 #16
Wow. Never thought I'd say this, but good for them. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #17
I really hope this is not true Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #22
So far no sign of them in the live feeds n/t Tsiyu Aug 2014 #24
That is good, I am very proud of the protesters out there tonight and I wish I could be with them Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #25
Freind and I watched Tsiyu Aug 2014 #29
Need cameras on uniforms ErikJ Aug 2014 #28

christx30

(6,241 posts)
3. To be fair, our side does it too.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Aug 2014

But in the opposite direction. "Those Bundys are bad for pointing guns at the cops out there." Saw one guy talk about those Bundy milita guys as "cowards with guns and masks", which also perfectly describes a police SWAT member.

 

terdheadur

(32 posts)
9. Cops?
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

Wtf? You call those cops? Your post is absurd. "Our side" is breaking store windows and looting. So yeah we are so MUCH better huh?

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
11. Those who break windows and loot are not on my side
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 03:00 PM
Aug 2014

And I have no problem arresting people who do that, but we don't need the type of police overkill shown in the picture above to protect windows. While I oppose the breaking of windows, let's get real: pointing assault rifles at law enforcement is a far worse offense. Human lives are worth more than windows and the Bundy militia was threatening to kill.

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
18. I don't defend looting, BUT . . .
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:01 PM
Aug 2014

. . . at the same time, I refuse to accept any moral equivalence between looting (i.e., crime against property) and killing (i.e., crime against people).

niyad

(113,302 posts)
19. please link to reliable, legitimate sources about the looting, and who is doing it.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:20 PM
Aug 2014

welcome for the length of your stay.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
20. But did you support the cops/Feds
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:33 PM
Aug 2014

when they went after the Bundys? And you don't support the cops that are going after the protestors in Missouri?
I don't support either. That's what I meant by it works both ways.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
21. Yes, I support the feds going after armed militia groups that point guns at federal agents
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:46 PM
Aug 2014

In Missouri there are no guns being pointed at the police so their response is totally over the top. My position is consistent whether we are talking about protesters on the left or right ends of the political spectrum or anywhere in between. Unarmed protests should be respected by the police and no heavy handed tactics should be used, if guns come out however then the police should have the right to confront the people with guns with force.

While there has been some unfortunate violence in the Missouri protests none of it was violence against people, it was only violence against property and that sort of crime can be addressed without the use of violence by police. Once people start pointing assault rifles at law enforcement as the Bundy clan did however, well they are asking for a heavy handed response.

It is ridiculous to pretend that armed protests should be handled the same way as unarmed protests.

intheflow

(28,466 posts)
23. The Missourians are protesting police violence.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 10:50 PM
Aug 2014

A senseless killing of an unarmed man. The Bundy crew didn't want to pay their legal land use taxes, and they were prepared to shoot officers who forced them to pay. How can you possibly equate those two situations?

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
27. I thought they should've found a way to cut his power and water...
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:22 PM
Aug 2014

And shut down his credit cards and bank accounts. No need for a violent conflict.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
6. Not because of racial issues
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:58 PM
Aug 2014

Teabaggers have absolutely no qualms about using government force against minorities.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
7. And I could point to a bunch of posts
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 02:33 PM
Aug 2014

of people wanting to bring in the 10th Mountain Division on the Bundy people and using all kinds of force on them.
Both sides want to use government force against people they disagree with. Bundy's weapons and his friends prevented it from happening in March. Nothing is stopping those SWAT thugs from doing what they are doing in Missouri.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
15. Exactly
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 04:51 PM
Aug 2014

Just because Bundy's folks are mentally ill doomsdayers doesn't mean the federal government or cops should be using excessive force. There are other ways to defuse the situation and also penalize Bundy. The bigger problem is the militarization of the police to put down ALL people. That should supersede and override any other issues.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
13. Who Wanted Jackbooted Thugs to Mow Down the Bundys with Bullets?
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 03:10 PM
Aug 2014

NOT a rhetorical question - please show me.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. Nobody, or no more than one or two idiots.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 03:21 PM
Aug 2014

It's more "both sides do it" horseshit. Even comparing this to Bundy is deliberately dishonest.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
16. Hold your horses....looks like the militia is on its way.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 07:11 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Not attesting to the veracity of this tale, but, an interesting development nonetheless.


http://1newsjunkie.blogspot.com/2014/08/report-missouri-citizens-militia-is-now.html


"the Missouri Citizen’s Militia is NOW IN Ferguson to protect innocent Americans from the tyrannical ‘police state’ according to the linked facebook post from Aaron Penberthy. Missouri’s Militia was recently at Bundy Ranch protecting innocent Americans from the CORRUPT FEDS who have NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TERRORIZE INNOCENT Americans. Straight from the lips of Penberthy on Facebook:

Aaron Penberthy If peaceful protesters get fired upon, it is my duty to uphold the constitution Clay Martin. If innocent families are being attacked, I have no choice but as a human being to go defend."

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
22. I really hope this is not true
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:59 PM
Aug 2014

I support all the peaceful protesters in Missouri and if the guns come out only bad things can result. The peaceful protesters will be scared away from the scene and we will be left with the people we do not want representing our side, and that is the best case scenario. The worst case scenario means a lot of people die. I hope people fight in the spirit of MLK and Gandhi and keep the guns away.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
29. Freind and I watched
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:53 AM
Aug 2014

The more people watching this unconstitutional BS, the better, and the less likely the cops will feel free to get worse.

Too bad the 'real" mainstream media are fucking cowards- but there will ALWAYS be media, BAD COPS should realize. Always.

If you're not doing anything wrong, BAD COPS, you have nothing to worry about.

Yes, Born Against, my friend and I wish we were there as well.

The cops are pushing for riots, and everyone can see it now with their own eyes. They look like cowards wrapped in bubble wrap throwing teargas and firing bullets at peaceful people. SICK.

This is the USA, and the President needs to get off his ass and address this shit. Show some leadership.

And he needed to do it four days ago.

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