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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:51 PM

If Americans Knew - The Truth About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

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Reply If Americans Knew - The Truth About the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (Original post)
Galraedia Aug 2014 OP
4now Aug 2014 #1
truth2power Aug 2014 #2
PDJane Aug 2014 #3
ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #5
PDJane Aug 2014 #7
ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #8
PDJane Aug 2014 #9
markpkessinger Aug 2014 #4
lumpy Aug 2014 #6
Agony Aug 2014 #12
Galraedia Aug 2014 #15
markpkessinger Aug 2014 #17
newfie11 Aug 2014 #10
Agony Aug 2014 #11
xiamiam Aug 2014 #13
Hulk Aug 2014 #14
Galraedia Aug 2014 #16
Galraedia Aug 2014 #18

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:24 PM

1. Thanks for posting the videos

I will watch them later.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:35 PM

2. Thanks for posting. i will watch later. n/t

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:11 PM

3. Thank you. I have watched these.

They coincide, mostly, with my own research on the subject. Frankly, I'm not convinced at this point that Israel has a right to exist....if her existence is at the expense of another people.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:32 PM

5. What does "right to exist" mean?

I generally use different definitions for the terms "rights" and "nations" than other people. What does "I'm not convinced at this point that Israel has a right to exist" mean to you?

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:57 PM

7. As a nation in the middle east, in the nation of Palestine,

if displacing the Christian, Muslim, and other inhabitants in order to rebuild a Nation in all of the land of Palestine, and committing so many atrocities to do so...does Israel have the right to the support of the west to exist. If they continue to use biblical mentions as a method of siting settlements, and inflicting on Palestinians all of the restrictions and collective punishments and foreign inhabitants? I am no longer sure that Israel has any right to do this, while taking all the best land, the water table, the minerals, oil and gas, and collecting people into cantons....this is wrong by any standards that I hold, including those of my long lost religion.

These things were inflicted on the nation of Palestine (and yes, they had a nation and a government) in reparation for the holocaust, being honest. Since that is the case, does Israel have a right to force their presence on a a nation that had nothing to do with the holocaust? I still don't know the answer. Jews will survive whether Israel exists or not, you understand. Judaism has survived the diaspora, and intermarriages, and assimilation. Israel may not survive what Israel continues to do.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:04 PM

8. Thanks for a fuller answer.

I think I understand what you are saying.

I personally don't believe in the existence of rights, legitimacy, nations, etc., so to me, it's people killing people. I hate all these killings.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:11 PM

9. It's against everything I think is right and useful.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:19 PM

4. Thanks for posting this . . .

. . . Does anyone else have difficulty viewing the second video? At around 11:07 something weird happens, where the picture begins to pixelate, advance in spurts and stops (the audio continues unaffecgted). Is anybody else running into this?

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:51 PM

6. Yes. The rest of the video is useless as a visual.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:24 PM

12. i posted a link below with the video working...

cheers

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:26 AM

15. There. I fixed it.

You shouldn't have any trouble viewing it now.

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Response to Galraedia (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:12 AM

17. Thanks! n/t

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:29 PM

10. Kick for later

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:21 PM

11. here is link to this video with the second half better quality...

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:13 AM

13. thank you for posting..k and r..nt

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:32 AM

14. I am becoming very anti Israel...

I have always had difficulty accepting the Jewish State, partly because what I knew didn't make sense. The first video reinforces that lack of understanding. Is there a rebuttal to the information in the video; because if not, I am anti-Israeli. I have always had difficulty accepting people who wear their religion on their sleeve...be it burkas (sp?), the twinky hats and curly hair and cereal bowl caps, Bible-thumpers who stick their loud distorted crap in your face on the street corner; but this puts me over the top. I've "accepted it", but have always disliked and not respected such traditional BS. Practice whatever beliefs you want; just don't stick it in my face or expect me to subscribe.

Now, these videos come along - and only the first one seems to work now - and creates more information anti-Israeli-state. What am I missing?

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Response to Hulk (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:28 AM

16. The second video has been fixed..

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:59 PM

18. Both videos have been updated for better picture and sound quality.

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