Video & Multimedia
Related: About this forumThom Hartmann: Go to ''second chance on shoot first.org'' now to sign up
Neal Asbury,"Truth for America" vs. Thom Hartmann. George Zimmerman faced a judge today. But his trial is just the first that America needs. We need to put on trial the Shoot First laws that allowed Zimmerman to walk around as a free man for 6 weeks after killing someone.
The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann on RT TV & FSTV "live" 9pm and 11pm check www.thomhartmann.com/tv for local listings
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)That is, simply put, ridiculous fearmongering. The reason Zimmerman was free for six weeks was because of an attempted police coverup, no more no less.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)TheWraith
(24,331 posts)You will find that there is absolutely nothing novel or different about "stand your ground" laws from the standard self-defense laws that most states have. Nor is there any "shoot first" or "I felt scared" provision like the panic-mongers would have you believe.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and I still have not found one shred of a reason why I would want that to be
the law in a state I live in, or visit for that matter.
And the fact that we mainly have ALEC and the NRA to thank, for championing
SYG legislation (in what, like 21-23 states?) spells very bad juju.
Do you not agree, that you should maybe reconsider being in such tacky
company?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Illinois has had SYG since 1961 and Washington state since about 1917.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but SYG outside the home may be a different matter. It seems that the Oregon law specifies scenarios where you don't have a "duty to retreat" if feasible. It specifies the situation.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/161.html
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)it's just SYG that I think over-reaches in the wrong direction,
as indicated by the increased deaths by gun in states that
have adopted it.
Thanks for the link.
movonne
(9,623 posts)he tracked and shot an unarmed boy..it is as simple as that no matter all this other stuff about the "the shoot first law" or any other laws...until murder is not a sport this will be a norm thing..
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nobody cares in decent space.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Yeah, I guess nobody cares.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The NRA, Alec, the Koch Bros, the GOP, the RW media and brain addled gun-worshipers everywhere defend them and call them "Stand Your Ground" laws, and pretend that self-defense requires the brandishing of a handgun.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)ALEC, the Kochs. Washington's date back to 1917. Utah has always had it as common law, but not as a statute.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)How old are the Koch bros?
I don't believe your cart is behind your horse.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The police may have done a somewhat shoddy job of the investigation, but they returned a recommendation for a manslaughter charge.
It's the DA, whose laundry we should be looking into. I want to know if the DA called Zimmerman's father (a retired judge) that night. I think that's where the corruption lies. Not necessarily with the police.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That poor guy who was the guest is living in fear and these are the kind of people who are pushing all these laws. And he uses Bush to back himself up?
Glad to see Bloomberg for once getting it right.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)it is long established law that the defense should be proved in a court unless it is so obviously applicable that no one could question it.
Deciding whether self-defense justifies a murder or an assault should remain in the jurisdiction of the courts.
Removing the determination about the justification of self-defense from the jurisdiction of the courts does give bullies and overzealous types as well as criminals a license to kill or beat others up.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Justifiable homicide is not murder. All murders are homicide, but not all homicides are murders.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The police had no such evidence other than Zimmerman's word. Florida's Shoot First law was used as an excuse to let him go.
fightforfreedom123
(87 posts)The Florida law states you can still be detained, questioned, arrested and put on trial.
The cops had evidence that Zimmerman was lying but ignored the evidence.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)other than what the media knew or claimed. Florida's SYG was used by someone, but according to the special prosecutor, the investigation was still in the process, arrests are not always made at the scene, and deaths are investigated to see what happened. If homicide is determined, then you investigate to determine if it was murder.