Ready for Hillary! PSA response to DFA poll

[MannyGoldstein]

Regarding the sad little poll which indicates that the alleged "Progressives" prefer "Warren" or "Sanders" to Hillary...

Regards,

TWM

[Autumn]

1. Now you know Manny, Hillary is polling at 64%.

64% mind you! Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and as such is unelectable. I know these things.

Please relax and understand you have a duty to do.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Liz Warren was a Republican Indian Princess.

She voted for Reagan.

[Autumn]

5. She is a Senate Princess. Reagan is dead so it's not like she's gonna vote for him again

so I'm comfortable supporting her.

Notice not a mention of snipers? I would never trash a Democrat. Not even an Independent socialist who caucuses with Democrats, especially one of those.

[Veilex]

7. +1

[drynberg]

12. Yep, well said.

[Veilex]

6. *Nod*

and HRC was a Goldwater girl...and IS a Goldman Sachs girl.

[MisterP]

17. she *chose* to join the Pequod!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_narrative

[DeSwiss]

54. Speaking of royalty.....

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''We came, we saw, he died.''[/center]

- She has that, ahh..... ''je ne sais quoi'' as they say.

[RufusTFirefly]

2. Everybody knows that DFA is a Rove-supported, Rand-controlled group

It's documented!

Don't let it get you down, TWM.

President-elect Hillary isn't going to let informed public opinion discourage her.

[PADemD]

53. DFA

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (D) transformed his failed 2004 presidential campaign into a political action committee (PAC) to help progressive candidates across the country. That organization, Democracy for America, still continues to raise money and organize with other progressive groups to elect like-minded candidates to the House and Senate.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/organizing-for-action-obama_n_2503668.html

[Jackpine Radical]

55. You're apparently missing the sarcasm of this entire thread.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the history & character of DFA.

[RufusTFirefly]

59. Thanks! I was totally kidding.

I figured my comment was so over the top that it would be obvious and so no sarcasm tag would be necessary. But I appreciate your including information on the origins of DFA, for those who were unaware of it.

[zeemike]

4. Hillary is inevitable.

So progressives must just get over it...suck it up progressives.

[Thinkingabout]

8. Hillary isn't afraid of a primary run, will make her stronger for the election, sharpen her skills

to a higher level. Bring 'em on, since Hillary and Warren sits right together on the chart if the claim Hillary is right then it makes Warren right. Hillary has the experience and in areas where there are not many around to compete.

[paleotn]

9. And if she is elected....

....she's president in name only. In the end, it's Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan who really run our government. At least many Dems won't be as pissed off as they would be if a republican crazy won in 2016, cult of personality and all that. That's the only substantive difference between Clinton and some fill in the blank republican.

[Thinkingabout]

11. Show your proof, give a line, there isn't one. This is a course in cognitive dissonance, for some

who continues to tell themselves this tale it becomes true to them, does not make it true.

[paleotn]

42. here ya go.....

....she talks a good game, but behind all the wonderful rhetoric....

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/hillary-clintons-goldman-sachs-problem

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/218761-rnc-hits-hillary-clinton-for-ties-to-goldman-sachs

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harold-meyerson-helping-hillary-clinton-stand-up-to-wall-street/2014/10/30/2765a1fa-604f-11e4-9f3a-7e28799e0549_story.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-liberal-democrats-are-skeptical-of-hillary-clinton-in-one-paragraph/282304/

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-bill-and-hillary-clinton-money-machine-taps-corporate-cash-1404268205

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us/08wallst.html?_r=0

A billion dollars from industry donors? I'm almost sure they're expecting significant favors in return for donating that much campaign scratch.

Two simple lessons I learned long ago....don't listen to what someone says, instead watch what they do and pay attention to who their friends are. Secondly, as the old saying goes "if you lay down with dogs you're sure to get fleas."

So expect from a new Clinton admin a brand new round of.....NAFTA, GATT, China in the WTO, CAFTA, TPP, Financial Services Modernization Act......and on and on and on.....until job training in America really does consist of learning one simple phrase...."would you like fries with that?" But hey, Hill and Bill got theirs so fuck the rest of us Proles.

[jalan48]

10. Vote Hillary! If you want more of the same.....

[Thinkingabout]

13. I'll take more of the same, it will be good.

[jalan48]

15. We can do better. Time to try something other than 3rd Way

[Thinkingabout]

16. You say third way isnt good, I say you go with one with worldwide experience,

We don't need a one horse pony.

[jalan48]

18. And how does that change things?

[Thinkingabout]

20. Have you thought there may be some people who isnt interested in "changing"

Things, I am interested in a strong leader who can make strong decisions for the US.

[jalan48]

26. That's too bad.

I think someone who would take on Wall St is necessary or it will be 2008 all over again. Do you want that?

[Thinkingabout]

29. There are regulations, TARP was handle poorly, by a republican.

The Handling is nit going to be reversed and dwelling on the handling isn't going to change it. We have to pick up, get Democrats elected in Congress with enough numbers to block the current do nothing Congress we currently have. This isn't going to change in the next two years, we list ground on controlling congress.

[jalan48]

32. The Problem

is that many Democrats, when it comes to Wall St., act like Republicans. Just because Clinton may be liberal on social issues isn't enough for me.

[Thinkingabout]

35. Let's say this also, just because some thinks Warren is wonderful (maybe yes maybe no) isnt enough

For me, her voting record is lacking in some key issues, No one horse pony show.

[jalan48]

36. I think Clinton has too much baggage

We will see Monica Lewinski non-stop for months. Who wants to relive that?

[Thinkingabout]

38. You think Monica is going to be going to tye office with Hillary, you really had to reach for that.

It isn't going to help Warren when she needs to take action on ISIS, maybe Monica can help.

[jalan48]

47. Why do you think Warren can't deal with ISIS?

[Thinkingabout]

48. Check her recent votes. Then produced a poor excuse for voting no.

[jalan48]

49. Tell me more about what her votes meant

[Thinkingabout]

50. You tell me, i don't follow her closely.

[jalan48]

56. You are th one that just raised the issue, not me.

[Thinkingabout]

57. You are the one who wants to know more about what her vote means, maybe you can shed more light

on her reason why she voted no than the statement she released.

[jalan48]

58. Sorry-I can see this is going nowhere. Good luck

[jalan48]

27. Sorry-not ready for Hillary

[drynberg]

14. Or, probably even more corporate and worse. Heaven help us.

[paleotn]

43. A fucking men. (nt)

[jalan48]

46. Whoaaaaaaaa Nellie

[blkmusclmachine]

19. Hillary will run to Obama's right. And lose.

And the Third Way "Democrats" will rejoice. A solid GOP lock in DC to ram this nation to the far, extreme, hard right where the Third Way "Democrats" want the nation to be. And the GOP will pack the SCOTUS with dangerous theocratic ideologues, and turn this nation into an evangelical, King James version of Iran. They're already underway with their crazy Hobby Lobby decision.

[Thinkingabout]

21. Since Hillary is sitting strong on the left I dont see where there is information she is running to

The right of Obama. There seems to be a perception she is very right, facts proves this wrong.

[cprise]

22. Like her would-be Senate counterparts.

Sure.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Huh?

[cprise]

24. The candidates who lost "sitting strong on the Left"

That's what.

[Thinkingabout]

31. You may be correct, hope this gets changed by the next election

I voted but apparently two thirds of eligible voters did, saying they are completely happy with the way things are now.

[cprise]

34. That's how the establishment likes to interpret non-voting

It's hubris on the politicians and the non-voters' part. Of course, polls show people don't approve.

The trick is getting the 2/3 to wake up and at least lodge protest votes. Rip that fig leaf off!

[Thinkingabout]

39. Numbers doesn't work for some, can you come up with better facts.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Tell that to the non voters, no vote, no bitch.

[Thespian2]

37. Where

are the facts? She is a corporate whore, especially to Goldman Sachs. Plenty of proof that she doesn't have a progressive bone in her body. So, if she is the candidate for the Dems, who wins will make no difference. The Greedy Bastards already own the federal government and at least 22 state governments.

[Thinkingabout]

40. I am not progressive so your contention she doesn't have a progrssive bone in her body tells me she

Is the one. At least Wall Street listens to her, who else qualifies?

[paleotn]

44. Wall Street listens to her!?

Are you for real or a Goldman plant? On Jamie's payroll possibly? The only thing they "listen" to is money and the only things they invest in heavily are rigged games and sure things. By the way, they've invested heavily in Hill and expect significant returns on their investment....yours and my futures be damned.

[Thinkingabout]

45. They even pay her, she must have something interesting to tell them.

It may be as in going to church, sometimes someone needs to convey the real world, she just may have the inside, to convince the executives the disparity in wages is bad and this needs reversing. She has worked as a corporate attorney and experienced in corporate legal matters. Thanks for pointing out she is also familiar with Wall street.

[suzanner]

28. I'm thinking the same thing

With the country divided, seemingly by some design, no progress of any liberal, equitable sort can be made. Most people see Hillary as dubious... like the reason the DFL hasn't moved since Howard Dean left the leadership. Just seems implausible that the RW madness hasn't stopped and reversed by now. If Hillary runs, it's like proof that something is afoot and nobody can stop it. IOM.

[cprise]

25. Look at the way Hillary tried to channel Elizabeth Warren and screwed up

Hillary Clinton, on the campaign trail to support Democrats running for office, appeared at a Boston rally to support Martha Coakley, the former attorney general who is running for Massachusetts governor. Clinton’s Oct. 24 stump speech emphasized Democratic economic policies to help working families.

At one point, Clinton said, "Don’t let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs." Clinton’s aide later said she meant to say tax breaks for corporations. Clinton herself later said she "shorthanded" her comments, adding, "Our economy grows when businesses and entrepreneurs create good-paying jobs here in an America where workers and families are empowered to build from the bottom up and the middle out -- not when we hand out tax breaks for corporations that outsource jobs or stash their profits overseas."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/oct/30/context-hillary-clinton-and-dont-let-anybody-tell-/

Tone-deafness will get her in the end.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. That was funny as hell.

Same thing happened to our President when he tried to do it.

[Thinkingabout]

33. Demand creates more production, if families had more money in their pockets they would be spending

It. Ergo creating the demand for products and the economy grows. Economic policies to help American families such as increasing the minimum wages would help to grow our economy. I doubt pushing for increases in minimum wages is going to bite her in the butt.

[DeSwiss]

51. K&R!

[Skeowes28]

52. Damn progressive s

You better suck this shit up if hillary when's the nomination or have to supreme cy conservative justices