Euromaidan, one year ago: Dronecam view of the massive protests that kicked out a corrupt government

[uhnope]

February 21st is the one-year anniversary of the culmination of the Euromaidan protest in Ukraine. The Putin sympathizers will be very busy pushing their BS conspiracy theories about Nuland's cookies, but here's some images that show what an inspiring people-power moment it was in history.

In-depth article on what really happened when the government collapsed: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-leader-was-defeated-even-before-he-was-ousted.html?_r=0

[another_liberal]

1. Classic example of how manipulating demonstrations can achieve regime change . . .

They started peacefully, our manipulation turned them violent and deadly.

"Your American tax dollars at work."


http://www.democracynow.org/2015/2/3/is_ukraine_a_proxy_western_russia

[uhnope]

2. Enough with your BS conspiracy theory spamming

[Bugenhagen]

3. Except it's true, and not much of a secret

So it doesn't look like a conspiracy theory from here.

[uhnope]

4. BS

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

Where is "here"?

[Bugenhagen]

9. "Here" is Alaska

And I have been here on DU lurking since the old Hate Mailbag had only about 6 pages of posts. I practically never have a reason to post but the deranged, ignorant anti-Russian vitriol of the last year has drawn me out.

[uhnope]

11. Yeah, you show up as Russian proxy warmakers kill people to take more and more land in Ukraine

to tell us about poor poor Putin and the big meanies who criticize Russia's descent into fascism, is that right?

The OP has a definitive account of the collapse of the Russian stooge government in Ukraine. The conspiracy theories have all been debunked http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/
You're going to come back with what--Consortium News? RT? Sputnik News? TASS?

[Bugenhagen]

12. You sure attack a lot

This reminds me of Gore v Bush. Just because you say something is debunked doesn't mean that every vote was recounted twice. And like Fox News, you repeating it doesn't make it more so.

Also, and this is sort of a point of order, in a discussion, you don't tell me what I think or mean. You get to say what you think. I respond with my input. And so the long day wears on. What you are doing is called bullying, shouting over, and (sometimes) Bill O'Reillying. People do it because it works, but it isn't really discussion.

[uhnope]

13. so you have no answer but you cling to the conspiracy theory

big surprise

[another_liberal]

5. Your opinion only . . .

I, along with many others, do not agree.

[uhnope]

6. earth is round. Disagreeing with that is not an "opinion"

no matter how many members you have in your Flat Earth Society

[another_liberal]

7. If the Military/Industrial Complex announced the Earth is flat . . .

Some people would be quick to say it's just a "Putinista plot" to claim it's really round.

[uhnope]

8. you mean the Kremlin has announced the earth is flat, and you drink the koolaid

[Manifest Destiny]

16. Your always with the insults.

Never with any meaningful debate. Even if one considers that the early protests looked impressive, it is easy to see now that it was not all it was painted or perceived to be. A year long war and a violent, fascist regime came to power and started killing civilians. That is what actually happened and no matter how you try to frame it now it doesn't matter. Looking back, the separation of Ukraine into a federation of ethnically diverse states would have been the much wiser path. Stephen Cohen, who, I note, that you constantly denigrate, recommended that path during last Februarys violent overthrow.

[snappyturtle]

14. Kudos! Some days I just don't have the energy to battle folks who should

return to square one and not collect $200. Well, the regime change we helped along through NGOs now but not unlike Iran in the 50's and many others since is not working out well. Men are not cooperating joining the army so the age limit was expanded...still not good. Many of the western Ukraine fighters have abandoned the army and joined the eastern Ukrainian separatists. The OP says corrupt government....I bet that would look good to many today. But, SSHhh! we don't want anyone to actually think about this.

[another_liberal]

15. Lately it seems that . . .

Every country we get involved in goes from bad to worse like a house on fire. We need to seriously and thoroughly rethink our approach to international relations. The "New American Century" crowd's outlook and plans are creating wastelands wherever we turn our efforts.

[newthinking]

18. Democracy now - Is Ukraine a Proxy Western-Russia War?

Here is the video from youtube:

Is Ukraine a Proxy Western-Russia War?

[Manifest Destiny]

17. You know,

logical people with good critical thinking skills base their conclusions on many factors, including past experiences, history, events that show patterns. I see all these statements put forward about Putin, that he's out to conquer all the former USSR countries back for Russia, that he's aggressive and belligerent, that he's the greatest danger facing the world in the last 70 years, and realize that those statements have simply no foundation in fact to back them up, absolutely no logic is used in coming to such conclusions.

Lies, disinformation, claims and accusations based on no verification, all combine to paint an alternative reality of Putin and Russia that is now justifying the lunacy of increased violence in eastern Ukraine, to add to the disgrace of an EU leadership that has turned its back on the innocent civilians there for far too long already. Enough is enough. For Europe to "unite", first they must shake off the yoke of the real oppressors, those who lie and manipulate and make decisions that have nothing to do with the "common good" of all Europe. I am specifically talking about the US and NATO.

[newthinking]

19. It sure feels like a slow but steady build up. Hopefully rational heads prevail.

There is a lot of talk by world leaders that seems to be preparing us for another financial crisis.


Debt mountains spark fear of another financial crisis
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2554931c-ac85-11e4-9d32-00144feab7de.html

David Cameron warns of looming second global crash
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/16/david-cameron-third-eurozone-recession-g20-warning

With all the propaganda and sanctions at a time when the world economy is not healthy, makes one wonder if there is not a setup going on? We seem ripe for another enemy like Iraq to blame things on...?