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Law Passed: No Vaccine? No Welfare Benefits (Original Post) circlethesquare Apr 2015 OP
I have no problem with this, as long as there is an exception to those who are allergic to eggs or still_one Apr 2015 #1
Another exception, that I believe is as important, is choice. midnight Apr 2015 #5
I disagree, that is why pertussis and measles have made a resurgence still_one Apr 2015 #7
Measles are re-infecting those who were inoculated. So the resurgence is another issue. midnight Apr 2015 #14
Oh please, typical anti vaxer nonsense. I haven't even brought Egypt and other still_one Apr 2015 #15
Medical exceptions, yes. Archae Apr 2015 #2
American Medical Association policy on "Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians." proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #20
This will get the poors in line, but will do nothing for the richies who never smelled a welfare Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #3
And the poor will inherit the earth :> LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #4
Are you suggesting the bailed out bankers get in line for their medicine too? midnight Apr 2015 #6
Of course it should be required of anyone needing to deal with the public still_one Apr 2015 #17
While poking around recently I learned: "Vaccinating your child is not required by law in Israel." proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #8
Not vaccinating children is not a choice. longship Apr 2015 #11
Obvious, IMO, too, but are you intentionally missing the point? There are NO MANDATES eg. in the UK proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #16
Take away Social Security and Medicare HockeyMom Apr 2015 #9
+1000 DeSwiss Apr 2015 #12
What excellent points, K&R. (nt) proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #18
This is Aulstralia still_one Apr 2015 #19
Check it out. proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #10
One more hit for the ''Land of the Free.'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #13

still_one

(92,185 posts)
1. I have no problem with this, as long as there is an exception to those who are allergic to eggs or
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:51 AM
Apr 2015

have had a severe adverse reaction previously

midnight

(26,624 posts)
5. Another exception, that I believe is as important, is choice.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

Safety and the spread of disease is always used to bring those who disagree into submission.

It seems to be the best marketing tool around.




Archae

(46,326 posts)
2. Medical exceptions, yes.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

"Personal beliefs" or religion, no vaccine, no benefits.
Simple, effective, logical.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
20. American Medical Association policy on "Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians."
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:09 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/medical-ethics/code-medical-ethics/opinion9133.page

Opinion 9.133 Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians

"As professionals committed to promoting the welfare of individual patients and the health of the public and to safeguarding their own and their colleagues’ well-being, physicians have an ethical responsibility to take appropriate measures to prevent the spread of infectious disease in health care settings. Conscientious participation in routine infection control practices, such as hand washing and respiratory precautions is a basic expectation of the profession. In some situations, however, routine infection control is not sufficient to protect the interests of patients, the public, and fellow health care workers.

In the context of a highly transmissible disease that poses significant medical risk for vulnerable patients or colleagues, or threatens the availability of the health care workforce, particularly a disease that has potential to become epidemic or pandemic, and for which there is an available, safe, and effective vaccine, physicians have an obligation to:

(a) Accept immunization absent a recognized medical, religious, or philosophic reason to not be immunized.

(b) Accept a decision of the medical staff leadership or health care institution, or other appropriate authority to adjust practice activities if not immunized (e.g., wear masks or refrain from direct patient care). It may be appropriate in some circumstances to inform patients about immunization status. (I, II)

Issued June 2011 based on the report "Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians for Vaccine-Preventable Disease,"PDF FIle adopted November 2010."

LINK SOURCE: Optional, right? If curious, please see previous edit.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
3. This will get the poors in line, but will do nothing for the richies who never smelled a welfare
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

check in their lives.

still_one

(92,185 posts)
17. Of course it should be required of anyone needing to deal with the public
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

rich or poor

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
8. While poking around recently I learned: "Vaccinating your child is not required by law in Israel."
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 01:02 PM
Apr 2015

Apparently, Israel supports FULL PARENTAL INFORMED CONSENT. Please correct me if this is wrong.

SOURCE: http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/government-services/health-care-national-insurance/childhood-vaccinations-flu-shots-immunizations/

Investigate the public health policies of other countries, too (NO MANDATES); Australia is an extreme outlier if this law as described is adopted.

longship

(40,416 posts)
11. Not vaccinating children is not a choice.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

Children die when people refuse vaccinations for their children.

I wholeheartedly support Australia in this.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
16. Obvious, IMO, too, but are you intentionally missing the point? There are NO MANDATES eg. in the UK
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

(as described here)...or ANYWHERE in the developed world (link above). Do some research.

#1. Bring back a list of countries which follow your model for public health and post it.
#2. If they don't exist, explore WHY.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
10. Check it out.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:23 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

Link from: Maine National Town Hall Debate on Vaccines, AOA, 4/14/15 (CBS affiliate WGME in Portland, Maine, along with their media partner the Bangor Daily News, hosted as a part of a national Town Hall event series) in Notes by Dr. Meryl Nass.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. One more hit for the ''Land of the Free.''
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:56 PM
Apr 2015
- I wouldn't mind so much except it's a goddamned lie. I really dislike false advertisers.......
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