Ed Schultz fires back at Obama over TPP coverage

[Cheese Sandwich]

[Hoyt]

1. Get a grip Ed. Obama would turn you in circles, you'd be blabbering like an old football player

with neurological damage from multiple concussions.

I appreciate your passion, at times. But yesterday was just a lot of blustering, you should be ashamed.

I guess I am going to have to find something else to have on in background at 5:00.

[zeemike]

2. No people who sell out American workers should be ashamed.

But they don't seem to be at all.
But at least one man on the MSM is not afraid to support them and you tell us he is crazy.

[jwirr]

3. Agreed. President Obama went to Chris Matthews to argue his side becasue he knew Chris would

not ask the hard questions. Ed would have.

[Hoyt]

7. He knew Matthews would ask intelligent questions, and Ed's not capable.

Besides Ed is not as big as he thinks he is. His ratings aren't that great.

I usually have his show in the background, maybe I'd be better off listening to reruns of Andy Griffith.

Remember when Ed was all for the pipeline, until someone told him his viewers don't like it, so he changed his opinion.

[jwirr]

9. None of your agruements relate to any of this. Ratings - who cares? You aren't going to listen

any more - fine. Ed changed his mind on the pipeline - I much prefer someone who can be educated to some one who ignores the other sides. Ed backs the union and that is what I like about him.

[daleanime]

24. If ratings are your concern....

I'm sure O'Liey would mind an extra view.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

26. I am against TPP but I also remember when Schultz was first on radio.

It took him a year to figure out how to answer any question or ask any.

He was groomed to do this by people on the left, paid to do it, because he had the rush limbaugh character but from the left.

He is he LAST person I want involved in anything serious, but, if he is the ONLY one left willing to ask the tough questions, then better than nothing.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. From what I've heard, he learned to do Limbaugh from being a fan....

The ONLY reason he did it "from the left" was because he would get sued if he did it from the right.

I've seen him on a panel years ago with real liberals and he came off like a typical right wing asshole.

Now he's got this "barrel chested working class guy" routine but it's all an act.

[Hoyt]

5. Obama is not doing that, but some folks like to believe he's selling us into slavery.

Big Ed would still look stupid debating Obama --

About a week ago, Ed was going on about this "New dispute mechanism WHICH WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE would let companies usurp a nation's 'national sovereignty'. . . . . ." and basically take over the world.

One of the guests was telling Ed that most trade agreements had pretty much the same dispute mechanism for decades, even NAFTA, and that Obama was trying to insert improvements that would avoid any frivolous disputes, and the like.

Ole Ed was yelling and calling her a liar, saying that's just not true . . . . . . One of Ed's cherry-picked commenters -- who always strokes his ego -- tried telling Ed it's true NAFTA has it and Obama is trying to improve it. But, Ed kept saying I don't believe that is true.

I used to like him, but his emotional rants just get old. His blustering -- "By God, I'll debate Obama, just get him on here . . . . ." -- and yelling was a bit much.

[zeemike]

12. And I am not believing that.

Just as I did not believe that NAFTA was going to be good for workers and it was not...there indeed was a giant sucking sound as jobs left the country...that is a fact
And we have seen a steady decline in income for the middle and lower class in this country and now you are telling us to do it again?...because we must trust Obama?

The nature of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

And I would rather see someone yelling to support working people than reasonable conversation that undermines it...but then I have worked all my life, your experience may be different.

[ImaPolitico]

11. Not so sure...

I am not so sure about Elizabeth Warren. I have my doubts about her. Is SHE telling the truth?

[ImaPolitico]

14. Eliz Warren article....

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/elizabeth-warren-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal/

[delrem]

34. This guy isn't writing the truth.

Tommy Christopher at the The Daily Banter:
"When Senator Warren calls TPP a “top secret” deal, she’s not telling you the truth. Any member of Congress can see it now, and before Congress votes on it, the final deal will be posted online for 60 days. "

In fact as an op ed at the NY Times notes:
"Don’t Keep the Trans-Pacific Partnership Talks Secret
By MARGOT E. KAMINSKI APRIL 14, 2015
COLUMBUS, Ohio — WHEN WikiLeaks recently released a chapter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, critics and proponents of the deal resumed wrestling over its complicated contents. But a cover page of the leaked document points to a different problem: It announces that the draft text is classified by the United States government. Even if current negotiations over the trade agreement end with no deal, the draft chapter will still remain classified for four years as national security information. The initial version of an agreement projected by the government to affect millions of Americans will remain a secret until long after meaningful public debate is possible."

Everyone knows this.

The fact is that as Elizabeth Warren stated, yes, she can read it because of her position in gov't, BUT she can't reveal the contents.

So what we have now is a shitload of smoke and mirrors, but the public has no access to the actual contents except what's known through wikileaks (and wikileaks/assange/snowden/.../whistleblowers are HATED by the right wing corporatists for that very reason!)

[zeemike]

16. Well who really knows?

But she is our best hope...she did not come from the DC bubble so she is our best chance...either her or Sanders who has a history that is consistent with what he says now...unlike the others.

If there is no hope and all are just Trojan horses then we are fucked and we might as well learn to stop worrying and love the Oligarchy.

[ImaPolitico]

10. I agree

Mr. Ed really did a number on the president yesterday. Ed was shameful yesterday going on with his rant. How embarrasing for him. He better be careful or the station boss may tell him to take some time off ... again from his program. He seemed to be so upset because the president called out MSNBC and Ed didn't like that. Ed must feel guilty thinking the president was calling him out which I do not think that was the reason but Ed did.. I did not appreciate it one bit. Mr. Ed!
Is Ed more loyal to his union boys or to the president? Think we know that question.

[raindaddy]

15. Obama carefully avoids anyone who is willing to ask direct questions..

Obama did an infomerical with Tweedy on MSNBC with a panel of TPP supporters. So far he's avoided anyone who might embarrass him with REAL questions. I really don't think it would be that hard for ED, Sanders or Warren to have Obama blubbering like an old football player...

If this is a good bill for the middle-class a poor can you name the people who represented US at the negotiating table?

If the TPP is good for the middle class why not let us read it?

Do you think it's a bit arrogant to expect the American people to trust that you have their best interests at heart when the facts don't always reflect that?

[canoeist52]

4. Is it me, or are President Obama's speech patterns and inflexion

sounding more and more like Bush Jr.'s as the years pass?

[Duval]

23. Ohhh mercy! I hope not! nt

[SamKnause]

6. n/t

[ImaPolitico]

8. Hey Mr. Ed...

Mr Ed failed me yesterday when I heard his rant re: Pres Obama. Wow. I was embarrased and ashamed for him. He was my hero for so many years, but now this. I don't know. He is not a true Dem/ progressive in my mind. He is not faithful to his party.

Ed is more faithful to his union boys then to his president. We know why .

[wolfie001]

19. Well hello Walmart shopper!

Those mean Union workers wanting a level playing field. How dare they? Why can't they live on low pay and food stamps like those Walmart workers? Boo hiss.......

[arcane1]

27. We're supposed to be faithful to presidents?

That's news to me!

What's wrong to being faithful to one's principles instead?

[A Simple Game]

30. Well no, I don't know why.

Ed is more faithful to his union boys then to his president. We know why .

Why don't you tell me?

[MisterP]

31. yeah, how dare he stand up for mere Democratic *principles*!

the unions and the voters don't make a party, the pols who think we peons owe us our votes do!

[delrem]

35. Oh come on, "He is not faithful to his party"

Political parties in the USA are *religions* now, requiring declarations of "faith". jeez.

[GoneFishin]

13. Ed takes no prisoners in this clip. Anyone who hasn't watched it, you should do so. Go Ed.

Finally someone who puts his reputation where his mouth is.

Mealy mouthed pandering softball interviews with Chris Mathews are a waste of time. But it is glaringly obvious why the President might be way too uncomfortable to go on Ed's show.

[suzanner]

29. I agree

Ed has done some heavy lifting over the years, just as he says. He's a decent human being who apparently listens to his close friends. I overlook occasional off-rail rants. Who said anything about "debating" Obama; that's rather unfair. It's not his place to debate but to ask the questions we deserve to know. Even if it were off a script where Ed could submit the questions in advance, it would be better than Tweety. I wonder why Obama would mention MSN specifically and that would get my redheaded ire up a bit as well, if I were in his place.

[truedelphi]

17. at least four American workers will be able to gain from the TPP -

Those four being Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama.

Bill's international charities will get much bigger, and the money that Obama gets per speech in front of Corporate podiums will make the $ 250,000 plus that Mr Clinton gets right now look like chump change, once Obama leaves office and starts supporting himself by giving speeches.

And Mr Schultz - stay off private airplanes and make sure someone has your back.

[panfluteman]

18. Bravo, Way to Go, Ed!!!

Frankly, I don't see anything at all that is shameful, embarrassing, or nothing more than empty bluster in Ed's counter to President Obama regarding the TPP. He means what he says, and he is not speaking lightly or willy-nilly with his offer to debate Obama on this trade deal. He is a man of passion and integrity. Someone needs to stand up for the workers and the unions, who, IMHO, need all the help they can get from news show hosts like him, and from the American voter. The working class is the backbone of this economy, and when it goes, there will be no more customer base for the goods and services offered by the corporations who are in on this trade deal - their blinding greed would have gotten them to overplay their hand and, in the final analysis, dig their own graves.

Ed's right, it WILL be a terrible shame for Obama to undo his legacy of achievements for middle and working class people via this trade deal. It's like Bernie and other progressives say - we should have learned by now that these so-called free trade deals don't do a thing for the American worker, in spite of the corporations and their whores in government lying through their teeth that they will, just to get it passed. And with this TPP - the secrecy and push for fast track authority alone should tell anyone with a smidgeon of common sense that there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

If anything, I think that Obama is the one making the empty bluster on this one. I think that any offer of open debate that Obama makes on the TPP will be carefully staged and choreographed to avoid a clear and unambiguous presentation of the facts - if we ever get to know them at all. This secrecy and hustle behind the TPP is like Jim Jones urging you to drink the Kool Aid without telling you what the heck is in it. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg, and what has been seen - or leaked - isn't reassuring at all.

[Cleita]

20. Ed is the only person who regularly stands up for workers and unions. None of the rest

of the liberal show hosts do, not Chris Hayes, not even Rachel.

[Cleita]

21. Thank God there is one person who has a show who will say this. Anyone who thinks Ed's

blustering needs to see that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren agree with his position or are they just bluster too?

[Duval]

22. I hope Pres. Obama will

take Ed up on his offer. It would be very interesting!

[drynberg]

25. Research the TPP, and then you'll have a even better argument against it than Brother Ed...it is

Terrible...really.

[jjewell]

28. It seems to me...

that if the members of Congress, both House and Senate along with staff (who are interested) have seen the text of the TPP (no note taking or carry out copies of the text allowed), and they are sworn to secrecy concerning it's contents, the real issue to me is Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), also known as "Fast Track".

Why should a TRADE deal that involves 60% of the World's economy, and issues of national sovereignty be granted authority and signed into law without full Congressional debate, amendment - (if deemed necessary), and with FULL Public disclosure of the contents and ramifications, BEFORE being signed?

This is NOT a Nuclear Arms Deal. This is a TRADE DEAL. Trade is NOT a matter of life and death like a Nuclear Arms deal. What is the HURRY, that the TPP must or should be "Fast Tracked"? What is being hidden in the "fine print" of the TPP, and why can it NOT be openly and publicly, disclosed, debated and discussed?? Why shouldn't Congress be allowed to publicly debate the contents of the TPP BEFORE voting on it's passage??

"Trust... With Verification..."

[TrumanTown]

33. Come On Brother JJewell

You Can't Make Sense To People Who Have Preconceived Ideas!! That Takes All The Fun Out!!!

[gobears10]

36. I love Ed

We need boisterous progressives like him to make an impact on the U.S. politics.

[midnight]

37. Ed Shultz should have an open show session to let people call in

and discuss the facts. Let's make it happen. Let's put the contract on the White House web site.

[KoKo]

38. K&R!

[KoKo]

39. Recommend! Sorry...I didn't know you'd already posted............

Big Kick to the top! I even recommended.. I need a break...too much politics. Ugh.

[Cheese Sandwich]

40. What no problem buddy, spread the word...

[KoKo]

41. True...double exposure because it's a great watch...

still... sorry about that.

[Cheese Sandwich]

42. I would repost your post of my post without a second thought.

I'm just happy there's a site where anybody even remotely cares about these things. That is a good clip of Ed Schultz though. He was really in top form there. It made me smile.



Just trying to get caught up on this Baltimore story.... Stuck house-sitting. No cable TV.

[KoKo]

43. He was great! Fired Up! Bernie, also...One of the best of "Big Ed."

If you have your phone and can get internet while you are stuck house sitting... check out "The Real News Network" ...they are all over the Baltimore story, since they broadcast from there, and very involved in the inner city/police problems. They had a bunch of news/interviews up last time I checked, yesterday. They do good stuff.

[Cheese Sandwich]

44. Good idea thanks.

I like the Real News.

Yeah I have internet just no cable TV news. This house gets like two local TV channels.