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Thom Hartmann: Are the Europeans Pushing for Regime Change in Greece? (Original Post) thomhartmann Apr 2015 OP
Important interview, excellent take on the situation. To hell with the Troika! Syriza will prevail mother earth Apr 2015 #1
Ooph. For fuck's sake. DetlefK Apr 2015 #2

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
1. Important interview, excellent take on the situation. To hell with the Troika! Syriza will prevail
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

and they won't sell out the people, which is what the people know. Regime change will not happen, and know that all the players are being seen for what they are...globally.

The troika prefers seeing people dying in the streets, starving to death, rather than compromise...they have blood on their hands & the world sees it throughout this whole attempt at a so called "compromise" and "talks". They want submission & they shall not prevail. They want regime to change so they can further exploit & profit without regard to the human denominator.

If the EU were really interested in changing things for the better & not ending the union, they'd be far better off paying attention to the vision Varoufakis has for the European Union. It's a vision of values, not exploitation, which is precisely why no matter what happens and where Greece takes this, they will prevail & they will be an example to all.

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― R. Buckminster Fuller

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. Ooph. For fuck's sake.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

1. I have yet to hear detailed arguments how pumping money into Greece, a country with LEGENDARY corruption, a country with a LEGENDARILY overbloated and wasteful bureaucracy, a country with a tax-evasion culture going back DECADES, would have helped the greek economy.

2. Correlation does not equal causation. If the Ukraine-crisis proved only one thing, it's that the EU won't let geopolitical realities get in the way of a good plan. (They didn't realize that Putin would see a closer EU-Ukraine-relationship as a threat to the geopolitical balance of powers.) The claim that the ECB put pressure on Greece in response to the election of Tsipras is a pure conspiracy theory.

3. "The EU is trying to force Greece into electing a new complacent government. The EU's plan goes something like this: If this person returns to politics and if this and that party earn juuuust the right amount of votes to force them to work together even though they hate each other and if Golden Dawn somehow no longer plays a role..."



His whole line of reasoning is ridiculous.

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