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Fox's Shep Smith has perfect response to Pope Francis's conservative critics (Original Post) ErikJ Sep 2015 OP
Dang! shenmue Sep 2015 #1
WOW, well done. oldandhappy Sep 2015 #2
Well, Shep is the only good guy at Fox News. longship Sep 2015 #3
Megyn Kelly has moments, too. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #17
He is a rational person PatSeg Sep 2015 #37
Their universal. tecelote Sep 2015 #41
I agree PatSeg Sep 2015 #43
Wow! madamvlb Sep 2015 #4
Contrast Shep to Geroge Will . . FairWinds Sep 2015 #5
Here's George Will's column on the Pope: "Fact-Free flamboyance" Bucky Sep 2015 #19
George Will is a walking Red herring kenfrequed Sep 2015 #21
please not that wilt the stilt Sep 2015 #45
Will rejects Francis' hyperbole but piles his own steaming turd hyperbole much higher. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2015 #22
Good Lord, sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #23
Some comparisons of popes Francis and Benedict: mucifer Sep 2015 #32
Came out of Argentina & wears black pants and the Iron Cross. Hmmm... Bucky Sep 2015 #36
Wow, that last photo comparison says it all LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #38
In the Old Testament of The Holy Bible, the Holy Temple, inner-room was the residence of God DhhD Sep 2015 #48
Normal people don't care what George Will has to say The Wizard Sep 2015 #42
Woweee! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #6
Can't recc this enough. narnian60 Sep 2015 #7
Wow, Shep!!!! hamsterjill Sep 2015 #8
Hell has frozen over! The day came that I actually rec'd a Fox Noize clip! nightscanner59 Sep 2015 #9
I bet that went over like a lead balloon at Fox rusty quoin Sep 2015 #10
Great points by Shep. Old Crow Sep 2015 #11
Yep libodem Sep 2015 #34
damn.... dhill926 Sep 2015 #12
Help those less fortunate than us? Take in war refugees? What kinda communism is he spewing?!?! Bucky Sep 2015 #13
Cons have become the modern day Pharisees ErikJ Sep 2015 #18
K&R. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #14
Anyone seen Shep Smith's resume floating around out there... CincyDem Sep 2015 #15
Not true. He recently signed a new long term contract. totodeinhere Sep 2015 #40
I ran an errand in my car today and had the misfortune of hearing a raving lunatic named Michael world wide wally Sep 2015 #16
Wow. He Actually Said That? Leith Sep 2015 #20
I'm still perplexed that Fox keeps him around Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #24
I have liked him since Katrina. arely staircase Sep 2015 #25
K&R. One of the only reasonable anchors there. n/t ion_theory Sep 2015 #26
Damn SCantiGOP Sep 2015 #27
K&R and Kaboom! mike dub Sep 2015 #28
Good guys and bad guys. Shep good guy, most who watch him, bad guys. AllFieldsRequired Sep 2015 #29
How does this guy still have a job? Is he the token liberal? Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #30
Right On Shep! montana_hazeleyes Sep 2015 #31
Anyone that doesn't agree with this is sick. IHateTheGOP Sep 2015 #33
Call me surprised Beowulf42 Sep 2015 #35
I think for the most part Fox News hosts fool themselves LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #39
'clear thinking Americans .... that's how we're supposed to roll' bucolic_frolic Sep 2015 #44
Of all places to hear truth, Fox! mountain grammy Sep 2015 #46
Other than the Mejkcican 'Jkcesooos', you couldn't get a more auspicious Joe Chi Minh Sep 2015 #47

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
37. He is a rational person
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:58 PM
Sep 2015

I am amazed that he can survive over at Fox.

I'm so glad he said the things I was thinking - the issues the Pope talks about are NOT political, but they are Christian, at least according to the New Testament.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
41. Their universal.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:23 PM
Sep 2015

Religion has nothing to do with it except for freedom to practice the religion of your choice.

1. Caring for the marginalized and the poor
2. Advancing economic opportunity for all
3. Serving as good stewards of the environment
4. Protecting religious minorities and promoting religious freedom globally
5. Welcoming and integrating immigrants and refugees globally

I would add the old favorite...

6. Promoting world peace

But, that's too political. War is no longer immoral, it's easily justified and a huge profit center.

Shep and any rational person should see these as universal truths whether they're religious or not.

I agree, it's hard to believe he can say this and keep his job at Fox.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
43. I agree
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:20 PM
Sep 2015

It is really about morality, which does not require religion, which often IS political.

As for war, if "peace" was more profitable, politicians would be promoting it.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
19. Here's George Will's column on the Pope: "Fact-Free flamboyance"
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:17 PM
Sep 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pope-franciss-fact-free-flamboyance/2015/09/18/7d711750-5d6a-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html

[font size="4"]Pope Francis’s fact-free flamboyance[/font]
[font size="1"]by George F. Will | Opinion writer | September 18, 2015[/font]


Pope Francis embodies sanctity but comes trailing clouds of sanctimony. With a convert’s indiscriminate zeal, he embraces ideas impeccably fashionable, demonstrably false and deeply reactionary. They would devastate the poor on whose behalf he purports to speak — if his policy prescriptions were not as implausible as his social diagnoses are shrill.

Supporters of Francis have bought newspaper and broadcast advertisements to disseminate some of his woolly sentiments that have the intellectual tone of fortune cookies. One example: “People occasionally forgive, but nature never does.” The Vatican’s majesty does not disguise the vacuity of this. Is Francis intimating that environmental damage is irreversible? He neglects what technology has accomplished regarding London’s air (see Page 1 of Dickens’s “Bleak House”) and other matters.

And the Earth is becoming “an immense pile of filth”? Hyperbole is a predictable precursor of yet another U.N. Climate Change Conference — the 21st since 1995. Fortunately, rhetorical exhibitionism increases as its effectiveness diminishes. In his June encyclical and elsewhere, Francis lectures about our responsibilities, but neglects the duty to be as intelligent as one can be. This man who says “the Church does not presume to settle scientific questions” proceeds as though everything about which he declaims is settled, from imperiled plankton to air conditioning being among humanity’s “harmful habits.” The church that thought it was settled science that Galileo was heretical should be attentive to all evidence.

Francis deplores “compulsive consumerism,” a sin to which the 1.3 billion persons without even electricity can only aspire. He leaves the Vatican to jet around praising subsistence farming, a romance best enjoyed from 30,000 feet above the realities that such farmers yearn to escape.

The saint who is Francis’s namesake supposedly lived in sweet harmony with nature. For most of mankind, however, nature has been, and remains, scarcity, disease and natural — note the adjective — disasters. Our flourishing requires affordable, abundant energy for the production of everything from food to pharmaceuticals. Poverty has probably decreased more in the past two centuries than in the preceding three millennia because of industrialization powered by fossil fuels. Only economic growth has ever produced broad amelioration of poverty, and since growth began in the late 18th century, it has depended on such fuels.

Matt Ridley, author of “The Rational Optimist,” notes that coal supplanting wood fuel reversed deforestation, and that “fertilizer manufactured with gas halved the amount of land needed to produce a given amount of food.” The capitalist commerce that Francis disdains is the reason the portion of the planet’s population living in “absolute poverty” ($1.25 a day) declined from 53 percent to 17 percent in three decades after 1981. Even in low-income countries, writes economist Indur Goklany, life expectancy increased from between 25 to 30 years in 1900 to 62 years today. Sixty-three percent of fibers are synthetic and derived from fossil fuels; of the rest, 79 percent come from cotton, which requires synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. “Synthetic fertilizers and pesticides derived from fossil fuels,” he says, “are responsible for at least 60 percent of today’s global food supply.” Without fossil fuels, he says, global cropland would have to increase at least 150 percent — equal to the combined land areas of South America and the European Union — to meet current food demands.

Francis grew up around the rancid political culture of Peronist populism, the sterile redistributionism that has reduced his Argentina from the world’s 14th highest per-capita gross domestic product in 1900 to 63rd today. Francis’s agenda for the planet — “global regulatory norms” — would globalize Argentina’s downward mobility.

As the world spurns his church’s teachings about abortion, contraception, divorce, same-sex marriage and other matters, Francis jauntily makes his church congruent with the secular religion of “sustainability.” Because this is hostile to growth, it fits Francis’s seeming sympathy for medieval stasis, when his church ruled the roost, economic growth was essentially nonexistent and life expectancy was around 30.

Francis’s fact-free flamboyance reduces him to a shepherd whose selectively reverent flock, genuflecting only at green altars, is tiny relative to the publicity it receives from media otherwise disdainful of his church. Secular people with anti-Catholic agendas drain his prestige, a dwindling asset, into promotion of policies inimical to the most vulnerable people and unrelated to what once was the papacy’s very different salvific mission.

He stands against modernity, rationality, science and, ultimately, the spontaneous creativity of open societies in which people and their desires are not problems but precious resources. Americans cannot simultaneously honor him and celebrate their nation’s premises.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
21. George Will is a walking Red herring
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:51 PM
Sep 2015

Seriously, he sputters and equivocates and bullshits constantly. He should go back to writing about baseball.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
23. Good Lord,
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:55 PM
Sep 2015

how many fallacies can one commit in just a few paragraphs? 'Francis's Fact Free Flamboyance' exists only in the sheer pomposity of Will's alliterative posturing. It would be one thing if rightist preppy propagandists like Will ever defended their positions with factual evidence, but they rarely do. It just sounds that way.They prefer hyperbolic falsehood aimed at simpletons who fancy themselves intellectual.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
36. Came out of Argentina & wears black pants and the Iron Cross. Hmmm...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

If I had a more Manichean mindset, I'd start cobbling up some conspiracy theories right about now.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
38. Wow, that last photo comparison says it all
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:46 PM
Sep 2015

Pope Benedict with the King Joffre Game of Thrones dipped-in-gold throne compared to the modest white large chair for Pope Francis.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
48. In the Old Testament of The Holy Bible, the Holy Temple, inner-room was the residence of God
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 09:06 AM
Sep 2015

This was the only place that Gold was used. Adornment in Gold represents God. Silver-Jesus. Iron represents Man. In the New Testament, Iron and Bronze, represent the state of Man in the end times. Colors are representative also.

http://www.templesecrets.info/
There is variety in the write ups. Please feel free to research this.


http://www.jesuits.org/index
Pope Francis is a Jesuit-Society of Jesus. Jesus was born to Mary, a Levite, descendant of Aaron, the brother of Moses.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
42. Normal people don't care what George Will has to say
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:14 PM
Sep 2015

unless he's under oath. Even then, normal people don't believe him.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
9. Hell has frozen over! The day came that I actually rec'd a Fox Noize clip!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:30 PM
Sep 2015

Albeit I'm certain "fair and balanced" Fox will have about 120 dissenting "opinions" to balance Shep's reasonable points.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
11. Great points by Shep.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015

It is revealing, isn't it, that the Republican right wing are having a fit that the Pope is preaching the message, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"?

The Golden Rule is now political because it's based on an egalitarian frame of mind that American conservatives despise.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
34. Yep
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:28 AM
Sep 2015

It's not just Socialist its Biblical. And likely a tenant of every one of the world's great religions.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
13. Help those less fortunate than us? Take in war refugees? What kinda communism is he spewing?!?!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:52 PM
Sep 2015

Sorry, Comrade, but that's a slippery slope that leads straight down to healthcare for all and other unBiblical abominations.

CincyDem

(6,355 posts)
15. Anyone seen Shep Smith's resume floating around out there...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015


...with opinions like this at Faux Snooze, it's got to be on the street cuz his days are numbered there, that's for sure.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
40. Not true. He recently signed a new long term contract.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 02:01 PM
Sep 2015

Most of all Fox News wants ratings and Shep's show routinely beats CNN and MSNBC. He is not going anywhere.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
16. I ran an errand in my car today and had the misfortune of hearing a raving lunatic named Michael
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

Savage spewing hate directed at the Pope like none I have heard before. (except for maybe Mark Levine talking about Obama).
These people, I'm afraid, are beyond hope in any way…. and i mean just as human beings!
I have a newfound respect for Shephard Smith right now.

(No, I am not Catholic)

Leith

(7,809 posts)
20. Wow. He Actually Said That?
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:21 PM
Sep 2015

On Fox Propaganda Channel?! He isn't going to last much longer.

Shep is the only one there whose hand I would shake. As for the rest of them, my reaction would include a watery substance emitted from my mouth towards their faces.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
24. I'm still perplexed that Fox keeps him around
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:03 PM
Sep 2015

He seems like the antithesis of Fox "News" most of the time.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
25. I have liked him since Katrina.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:06 PM
Sep 2015

He is pretty much the only good guy at Fox. Ironically he is or was the anchor of their traditional evening news broadcast,(I don't watch FN unless I have to or I pause there briefly while channel surfing.)

As someone mentioned above, Megan Kelley has had good moments - her humiliation of Karl Rove on election night in 2012 was one of the most awesome things ever.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
27. Damn
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:17 PM
Sep 2015

That made sense. Has Trump pushed FOX over the edge and made them reassess their knee-jerk fascism?

Beowulf42

(204 posts)
35. Call me surprised
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Sep 2015

Every once in awhile a small spark in the wilderness comes to life and shocks me. People keep telling me that things are changing (not nearly fast enough for me) and just maybe this is another sign in the long trek to making the US and the world a better place. We can only HOPE.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
39. I think for the most part Fox News hosts fool themselves
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

into believing the horse shit they spew. It makes it easier. Once in the odd while, they get lazy and go off script. They allow that horrible thing called "empathy" to take hold if they are not careful. Shep can be prone to these mental lapses. I have been disgusted by clips of Shep shoveling it with the worst of them and making snide comments based on unsubstantiated rumor and manufactured "scandal" plenty himself enough not wipe the slate clean for his one or two times he has a moment of clarity.

But what makes this a BIG sin for the Fox executives was to include the "and the President" when talking about the Popes altruistic views.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
44. 'clear thinking Americans .... that's how we're supposed to roll'
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:24 PM
Sep 2015

Did he just say the 99% of Faux News that doesn't agree with those principles

are not 'clear-thinking'?

I think he did.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
47. Other than the Mejkcican 'Jkcesooos', you couldn't get a more auspicious
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 08:30 AM
Sep 2015

Christian name than 'Shepard', could you?

PS: Just don't use a dog-whistle in his vicinity! He looks just too urbane to picture him howling at the moon, but just in case. No. As someone said, he seems that rarest of birds in the MSM - a rational human being.

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