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Rep Tulsi Gabbard Slams Clinton’s Failed Foreign Policy Record (Original Post) Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 OP
Obviously she is ingnorant of the fact that the POTUS sets the foreign policy.... Historic NY Mar 2016 #1
Iraq vote? Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 #3
More excuses. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #6
Perhaps you should read how Clinton drove Libya revbones Mar 2016 #10
Bravo! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #13
can you make this post an OP? floppyboo Mar 2016 #17
POTUS sets foreign policy? Maybe in the text books forged in Texas. Mark 750 Mar 2016 #18
Did you miss that word "advisor" in there? passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #29
Amazing deflection, Mr. Historic . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #31
Does Bernie share her views? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #2
What about Iraq? Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 #4
What about it? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #9
Don't you think Hillary should apologize for supporting the war in Iraq? Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 #12
Are we having an election this year? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #19
Your response speaks volumes. Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 #23
My condolences regarding your friend 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #24
And my question was about Iraq. Senator Tankerbell Mar 2016 #25
Yes, and it was off topic 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #27
an answer tk2kewl Mar 2016 #16
An Answer! 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #20
i like facts tk2kewl Mar 2016 #22
It's a reasonable approach 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #26
btw... i think Bernie will also take down the ZBA tk2kewl Mar 2016 #28
My conjecture is that Bernie would favor neutrality. Herman4747 Mar 2016 #30
She seems like a well spoken, honest, straight shooter. She's a perfect fit with Bernie's campaign. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #5
Or the Republican Party...... Historic NY Mar 2016 #7
Yeah. The Republicans are well known for being honest. Pffffft. Yeah, right. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #8
Yeah, a "perfect fit." BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #15
What's her DU name? nt Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #11
According to many Clinton supporters, this clearly makes her a Republican troll. n/t intheflow Mar 2016 #14
Tulsi Gabbard's connections with Islamophobic BJP make me uneasy. Koinos Mar 2016 #21
Looks like a cheap hit job to me . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #32
Research the information provided in the Alternet article, including her donors and voting. Koinos Mar 2016 #35
Would it be too much trouble for you to address the issues . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #36
Do some Clinton supporters really . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #33
Seems like Sanders and Clinton jamzrockz Mar 2016 #34
What? FairWinds Mar 2016 #37

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
1. Obviously she is ingnorant of the fact that the POTUS sets the foreign policy....
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

and directs the SOS.

The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
10. Perhaps you should read how Clinton drove Libya
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

and Obama backed away. Or how he had to call in Kerry several times to "clean up her mess"

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
13. Bravo!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

“I cannot imagine how exhausted you must be after this week, but I have NEVER been prouder of having worked for you,” writes Slaughter, who worked as an advisor to Clinton in the State Department from 2009 to February 3, 2011, and then remained a consultant to the policy planning bureau. “Turning POTUS around on this is a major win for everything we have worked for.” An earlier email release, which I reported on previously, showed that Slaughter had spent February 2011 imploring Clinton to involve the United States militarily in Libya, insisting that it would “change the image of the United States overnight.”

From Hillary's emails http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511351051

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
17. can you make this post an OP?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

I think there are also emails showing that she was getting help from aids to make this HERstory. And she wonders why she doesn't have the informed feminist vote... Breaking News: We don't all want balls or the HISstory that comes with them.

 

Mark 750

(79 posts)
18. POTUS sets foreign policy? Maybe in the text books forged in Texas.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, it's Hillary's show and profoundly poor judgement. Here is an exhaustive opinion piece from Scott Ritter at Huffington... take time to read it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record_b_9221284.html

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
29. Did you miss that word "advisor" in there?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

She advised him on what she thought was going on and what should be done about it. He cannot be on top of everything when running a country. That is why Presidents have advisors.

I'm not abdicating him of his responsibility for making decisions...yes they are his alone, but his decisions are based a lot on the advice he gets from his advisors.

I think one of the worst decisions he ever made was making her SOS.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
31. Amazing deflection, Mr. Historic . .
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

Shame on you.

And your post is also disrespectful the Congresswoman.

Veterans For Peace

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
23. Your response speaks volumes.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

It's still relevant. My friend who died in Iraq is still dead. It's relevant to me.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
27. Yes, and it was off topic
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

I wanted to know where Bernie stood regarding Assad, and tk2kewl provided that information.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
16. an answer
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

Q: You opposed Obama's new decision to put Special Operations boots on the ground in Syria. But the threat seems to be expanding, not receding. How would you counter it?

SANDERS: What the president is trying to do is to thread a very difficult needle. He's trying to defeat ISIS. He's trying to get rid of this horrendous dictator, Assad. But at the same time, he doesn't want our troops stuck on the ground. And I agree with that. But I am maybe a little bit more conservative on this than he is. I worry that once we get sucked into this, once some of our troops get killed and once maybe a plane gets shot down, that we send more in and more in. But I will say this. ISIS must be defeated primarily by the Muslim nations in that region. America can't do it all. And we need an international coalition. Russia should be part of it--U.K., France, the entire world--supporting Muslim troops on the ground, fighting for the soul of Islam and defeating this terrible ISIS organization.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_War_+_Peace.htm
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
22. i like facts
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:43 PM
Mar 2016

do you have an opinion of Sanders proposed approach. I agree with him that countries in the region should be doing the hard work and we should play a part in coalition providing support - primarily air support

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
26. It's a reasonable approach
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:19 PM
Mar 2016

But doesn't really address the issue of how you defeat ISIS without, as Gabbard proposes, giving a bye to the Assad regime. Admittedly, that's going to be a knotty problem for any President.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
30. My conjecture is that Bernie would favor neutrality.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

A course which I suspect 90% + of the world's countries follow.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
21. Tulsi Gabbard's connections with Islamophobic BJP make me uneasy.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

There are some reasons why the right wing likes her. Religious persecution of Muslims in India is a major human rights problem. See this Alternet article:

"The Curious Islamophobic Politics of Dem Congressmember Tulsi Gabbard"

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard

Excerpts:

But the case of Tulsi Gabbard becomes less curious and more expected once you look at her links to a different set of ethnic and religious hardliners: the Hindu nationalist Indian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Since her election to Congress, Gabbard has tied herself closely to this party, which has a history of condoning hatred and violence against India's Muslim minority. Many of her stateside donors and supporters are also big supporters of this movement, which disdains secularism and promotes religious sectarianism....

Why did Gabbard work so hard to shield BJP abuses from congressional review? The answer lies in her base of supporters. The BJP draws on support from the large Indian expatriate community through an organization called the Overseas Friends of BJP. In August of last year, the group convened a large number of Indian American BJP supporters in Atlanta as part of an eight-city tour designed to prepare for Modi's first visit to the United States the following month.


I think her helpfulness to the Sanders campaign might be offset by what appears to be her association with this anti-Islamic faction.
 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
32. Looks like a cheap hit job to me . .
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

on Ms. Gabbard.

Ad hominem much?

She was really eloquent today on NPR explaining why
Ms. Clinton does not have the proper judgement to
be Commander in Chief.

She convinced me.

Come on people, Ms. Clinton actually brags about her role in
Libya. (Failed State Alert)

That is dangerous.

Veterans For Peace

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
35. Research the information provided in the Alternet article, including her donors and voting.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

Or, on the other hand, just keep believing what you want to believe and ignore any narrative that opposes your comfortable presuppositions.

The statements in Alternet are factual. Her ties with Indian nationalists are real.

It only helps Sanders for him to be informed about potential issues in his staff, but apparently you don't see things that way.

Or do you think that potential embarrassment due to anti-Islamic ties is of no concern to the Sanders campaign?

Not every criticism is ad hominem, as I'm sure you must know.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
36. Would it be too much trouble for you to address the issues . .
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

raised by Ms. Gabbard?

You are just like the Bernistas who go off on what a terrible person
Ms. Clinton is without dealing with her stands on issues at all.

OK. so here is one of the points raised by Ms. Gabbard.

Ms. Clinton pushed for and still defends regime change in Libya.
(In fact, she laughs about a man dying from being sodomized with a bayonet.
as a vet, I have to admit that really creeped me out.)
Libya is now a failed state.
Therefore Ms. Clinton lacks the judgement to the the US CIC.

Was that so hard?

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
33. Do some Clinton supporters really . .
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:38 AM
Mar 2016

want to support Clinton's policy recommendations in Syria . .

(no fly zone, take out Assad)

even if it means backing ISIS?

Veterans For Peace

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
34. Seems like Sanders and Clinton
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:09 AM
Mar 2016

Both agree with what rep. Gabbard consider as an illegal regime change in Syria. Sanders also calls for get this, the use of Saudi troops in Syria to get rid of ISIS. No mention anywhere of working with the Syrian govt, he just wants to pretend they and their army don't exist.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
37. What?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

You wrote , ". . the use of Saudi troops in Syria to get rid of ISIS."

Since ISIS is a Saudi creation, I can assure you that Saudi troops will not
fight them. (Another ISIS BFF is our "ally" Turkey.)

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