Was the cancelled Trump rally just quashed free speech?

[rsacamano]

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[Kalidurga]

1. It looks like the students exercised their rights to free speech just fine.

And Drumpf didn't have to cancel the fact he lies about the reason the rally was cancelled points to this being staged. I don't know if it was or wasn't, but they have been caught in a lie this means something. I can only speculate on what that means.

[randr]

2. Everything the Trump does is staged

He is the ring master at a Pro Wrestling match and is playing us all for fools.
Turn the attention away and he disappears, as if we can stop watching a train wreck.
Like the boiling lobster we will not know how hot the water is until it is too late.

[Kalidurga]

3. Well yeah...

I just don't know why I should be outraged if Donald Trump is too scared to talk to some people who are yelling at him. Free speech goes both ways and also this has nothing to do with the government shutting this chit down. It was the good citizens of Chicago.

[heaven05]

17. I'm ready

to climb out this pot, I'm melting and it's painful.

[Trust Buster]

4. Trump paid to rent out that venue. The protestors payed nothing.

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[NoMoreRepugs]

5. as did the other attendees.... so what's your point?

he who pays gets to talk???

[Trust Buster]

6. Exactly, in this country, he who pays gets to talk.

If Trump could prove that these protestors were organized by an identifiable organization, he would have a strong legal case to recover financial damages.

[truebluegreen]

7. Interesting theory.

What grounds? What law?

[Trust Buster]

8. Rent out a party hall yourself.

You paid for that hall. Anyone who takes away the utility of that hall that you payed for would be subject to financial damages. This is no different.

[truebluegreen]

9. The Drumpf was so afraid of violence

that he was forced to cancel the rally? The same Drumpf that spends all his time inciting violence? yeah, that will hold up.



p.s. "paid"

[Person 2713]

11. I read somewhere they were professional protestors

[Trust Buster]

12. Doesn't take away from the fact that Trump paid for the use of that venue and others that paid

nothing to the utility of that venue away from him. Hard to defend that IMO.

[truebluegreen]

14. Nobody "took" anything. He canceled.

Chicago PD said they had plenty of personnel on site to handle any eventuality and that it was not necessary to cancel the rally. In a court of law which do you think deserves or will be given more credence?

[Trust Buster]

18. So, you rent out a party center for a wedding reception.

Before the reception begins, a religious organization shows up to disrupt your reception based on religious grounds. Things start getting out of hand so you cancel the event for safety reasons. You would be in court in a heartbeat to recover your financial losses from that religious group. You are parsing here. Trump paid for the use of that venue. The protestors took that use away from him. Pretty open and shut.

[truebluegreen]

23. You are making the assumption that Drumpf's hand was "forced"

because his fans were in danger (and that he would give a rip about that--another YUUUUGE assumption). That case has not been made.

Hypotheticals are all very well, but yours doesn't match the facts on their face.


Have a better day.

[Trust Buster]

24. Deflection. Trump paid for the use of that venue. Bottom line.

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[Human101948]

26. And nothing prevented him from using it...

Despite his campaign's protestations the police never said that there was a threat.

For hours, the Chicago police, along with university officers, the federal
authorities and others, were out here in force. A Chicago police spokesman
said that city law enforcement authorities were not consulted and had no role
in canceling the event. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-after-violent-scuffles.html

Why are you carrying water for right wingers?

Megyn Kelly whines Trump’s free speech rights were ‘shut down’ after candidate cancels rally

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/megyn-kelly-whines-trumps-free-speech-rights-were-shut-down-after-candidate-cancels-rally/

[Jack Rabbit]

28. No, that's not the bottom line

Did Mr. Trump need to cancel the event? Not according to the Chicago PD.

Did Mr. Trump cancel the event simply in order to get attention? Your comparison to a father of the bride having to cancel a wedding because of some disruptive religious bigots doesn't fly. Donald Trump can afford to write thousands of checks for what he paid in rent for the event facility. He's not going to miss that money as much as much as a middle class father of the bride is going to miss what he shelled out. Moreover, Mr. Trump is attempting to put the blame on Senator Sanders and his campaign for the disruption? That's a charge any rational person would know is nonsense. Is Mr. Trump trying to financially cripple the organization of a potential future opponent? I don't know, but it's a question worth asking.

What this appears to be is a spontaneous mob, which no doubt included many who plan to vote for Senator Sanders today, protesting a speaking engagement by a hatemonger. How does one sue a mob to recover losses? One might sue the city of Chicago for not providing adequate security, but even that is questionable at this point.

Mr. Trump can afford to eat the loss for canceling the event, but he'll get his money's worth trying to blame Senator Sanders, a candidate he consistently mischaracterizes as a "communist." If Mr. Trump chooses to file a suit against the Sanders campaign, it will go nowhere. Otherwise, Mr. Trump is going right ahead and being something he is everyday, a demagogue.

[Plucketeer]

25. You pay to rent a hall or wherever

you certainly DO have a right to have who you want in attendance. But if it's a purportedly public event - what "controls" would you have to be able to say someone violated them? Are there genuine and verifiable "Trump Supporter" identification cards to be checked for admittance? I don't think so. That's not what "public" means.

[Person 2713]

10. I will stick with the ACLU release before hand

As Trump Rally Nears, ACLU Reminds UIC: You Can't Keep Protesters Out

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160311/university-village/aclu-anticipates-clash-with-protesters-at-trump-rally-letter-uic-head

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Only a case if he could prove there was a conspiracy for violence or premeditation for violence.

An organized protest, even an organized conspiracy to protest inside the hall, is not grounds for financial damages.

He can't prove that. No matter how many times he lies about a "communist" and no matter how many times he smarmily calls him his "friend".

[heaven05]

16. right

[jwirr]

19. The protesters were mainly students from that college. They

pay for the activities of the college. They did not want him invited to their venue.

No one stopped him from renting another venue somewhere else.

[Trust Buster]

20. My only point was that I hear about free speech this and free speech that.

Trump not only has the same right to free speech but he paid for the use of the venue. That's just a fact.

[Human101948]

27. And nothing prevented him from speaking

Despite his campaign's protestations the police never said that there was a threat

For hours, the Chicago police, along with university officers, the federal
authorities and others, were out here in force. A Chicago police spokesman
said that city law enforcement authorities were not consulted and had no role
in canceling the event. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-after-violent-scuffles.html

Why are you carrying water for right wingers?

Megyn Kelly whines Trump’s free speech rights were ‘shut down’ after candidate cancels rally

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/megyn-kelly-whines-trumps-free-speech-rights-were-shut-down-after-candidate-cancels-rally/

[heaven05]

15. I don't know

put it out there, was it?

[rafeh1]

21. A private marriage

At a rented hall is quite different than a public speech where the public is invited.

The right to say boo either individually or as a group is still free speech.

The example of hall rented for a private marriage is very diffirent

[FighttheFuture]

22. No. Trump did it purposefully to make some points and wrangle another media news cycle.

Quashed free speech my ass.