Hillary Caught YET AGAIN - 'SHAME HE WON'T DEBATE! Unwilling or AFRAID' - her words

[tomm2thumbs]

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"Well, I think it's a SHAME that Senator Obama will not agree to debates in Indiana and North Carolina. I've accepted ANY and ALL debates in both states because, ya know, most people really WANT to see us. We've only had four debates (between the two of us) and now it is down to the two of us, so I think that voters are right to want to have a debate.

In North Carolina, in fact, 20,000 North Carolinians emailed in for tickets when they thought there would be a debate, until it was clear Senator Obama would not participate. So I'm still hopeful because I think it's a SHAME that uh, apparently, he's UNWILLING or AFRAID to debate me, when there's so much at stake -- and these two states DESERVE TO HAVE A DEBATE."

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Apparently she thinks LESS of New York than Indiana and North Carolina, as she said those states 'deserve to have a debate' while the residents of New York State, it appeared initially, did not. Tsk tsk tsk

[tomm2thumbs]

1. Wonder if there is one issue she HASN'T flipped on... and I'm serious...

Is there even a SINGLE ONE?

Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

[daleanime]

15. Taking the money?

[tomm2thumbs]

17. ahhhhhhh

it was so obvious, if it had been a bird on my podium I wouldn't have seen it!

[Dragonfli]

32. There is one issue she has been consistent on, but what is it good for?

[MisterP]

52. in her political paradigm she's just covering both sides

she has the left half unconditionally (or at least enough--and if not some voter-blaming will shame enough into turning out against the GOP, that was DWS's plan), so now it's time to go after the right half of the spectrum

and as for the video, she has a tremendous need to be the one doing the kicking in any fight, to always be the one on the attack

[riversedge]

2. "You have to have the right number of delegates to get the nomination"

This all that matters now. Hillary always beats Sanders hands down in debates.



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"You have to have the right number of delegates to get the nomination"
#HillaryClinton does indeed #FeelTheMath



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[tomm2thumbs]

3. Don't you think

It's not just about the math. It's about an assessment.?

[metroins]

33. It could be popular vote

As well...

Hillary is winning delegates and popular vote.

[tomm2thumbs]

34. sounds like Hillary early on with Obama

and we know where that went

[metroins]

36. But...it's not early on anymore

And Hillary has extremely friendly states coming up soon.

This race was over in early March.

[tomm2thumbs]

38. the state order is different this time around

it is very early on

[metroins]

42. No, it is not early on

The state order may be difficult but we're over halfway done and most of the states with high delegates have voted.

Bernie is not winning, to say otherwise is fantasy.

He's an OK guy, it's disingenuous to say he has any real chance though.

[tomm2thumbs]

44. then she would have no need to campaign any longer

She could stop running ads, paying for trips, appearing on TV, running commercials in expensive media markets. Are you saying she's spending money frivolously because why not save the money for the General?

Your logic has none

[metroins]

45. Yes, I am saying that

She just needs to keep up a facade of strength to ride it out.

I think wasting time and money on Bernie is useless.

[tomm2thumbs]

47. Hillary with a facade?

surely you jest

[highprincipleswork]

4. I know. Because it's all about the winning, no matter how the game is played. Seems par for

the course for Hillary and unfortunately for her supporters.

No matter how many promises broken, no matter how many positions changed.

Seriously, how can anyone take anything she says seriously, that's one of my major problems. I don't trust her an inch with my Social Security and Medicare.

[mac56]

11. Then.... why is she reluctant to debate him?!

[tomm2thumbs]

13. "You cannot reason people out of a position which they have not been reasoned into"

[CorporatistNation]

21. ROLL ON FLOOR LAUGHING!

Perhaps You Have Heard of FRACKING... AND THE FBI?

[sulphurdunn]

23. How did you get from the issue

of debate locations to delegate counts? You're right about the math. In a democracy demons beat angels if they can sucker the sinners into voting for them. And they do all the time.

[RoccoR5955]

31. MATH

MATH= Mythological Assumption That Hillarycanwin!

[pnwmom]

5. Except this time there have already been 19 events.

8 debates and 11 Town halls, all nationally broadcast.

[billhicks76]

8. Town Halls Not Debates

That's a ridiculous assessment. Surely you know better.

[pnwmom]

9. 8 debates with only 2 candidates is PLENTY. Bernie only has a couple things

to say, anyway.

[mac56]

10. How good of you to decide that for him, and for us.

[metroins]

35. He says the same fluff every time

His debates are just his stump speech, nothing in depth.

How many times have you heard "I'll release all my transcripts." Then he throws his hands in the air.

He talks but doesn't say anything.

[zalinda]

51. There are plenty of people who haven't heard him

or even of him. People are busy, especially people who would vote for him. You forget that some people may have two or three jobs to keep them going, those 'real Americans'. Some people are NOT political junkies or watch political videos. And, some people like to hear what Bernie says.

You may think he doesn't say anything to you, but he does to millions and millions of people. She must be afraid to debate him.

Z

[billhicks76]

60. Never Thought I'd See Democrats For Censorship

Who are these people? Debates are about exposure. Politicians including Hillary always repeat themselves. This isn't about who can come up with something new each time. You expect them to rap freestyle? Ever seen a comedians show? It's similar in every town. Ever gone on a concert tour? Many songs repeated because not everyone has already seen it. These excuses are petty. Some of you are repugnant. Good job getting other democrats to hate you. You can't hide behind republican misdeeds.

[tomm2thumbs]

12. I sure hope they don't have you counting votes

4 debates with only 2 candidates if I am not mistaken

[Surya Gayatri]

25. One-note wonder. Whatever the question, you know the answer in advance:

Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks, Billionaire class, Big Banks.

Even the utterly crucial question of a woman's right to control her own reproductive life is quashed, so he can pivot back to his dead-horse talking points.

[notadmblnd]

40. If only HRC supporters spent half the time building Hillary up

as they do tearing Bernie down- they might actually change some minds.

Must be that there is nothing good to say about your candidate huh? Or are you all just incredibly envious of Sanders?

[Surya Gayatri]

41. Pfffft.....

[notadmblnd]

43. That was an intelligent rebuttal.

You have a good day making fart noises on the internet. I hope they pay you well for it.

[Surya Gayatri]

61. For your edification:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pff

Interjection

pff

1. An expression of annoyance or disappointment
2. A response to a ridiculous comment
3. The sound made whilst blowing a raspberry.

The first and second definitions were relevant in my one-word response.

"I hope they pay you well for it."

Paid? I wish. I'm on a very modest retirement pension and pay for my own ISP. No secondary income here.

[notadmblnd]

62. you forgot #4

Usually performed by young boys in the 5th grade.

[Surya Gayatri]

63. Beg to differ. An interjection very often used by adults (in the US and France) to politely

infere, without actually pronouncing the impolite word itself, that the person being addressed can get ------.

I certainly never possessed the sophistication to use such an adult expression during grade school. And, I have to say I know no grade-schoolers today who would or could use this urbane utterance.

[notadmblnd]

64. Don't be polite on my account.

Allow your true ugliness to shine through.

[Surya Gayatri]

65. Not worth the hide.

"Ugliness" is obviously subjective....

[notadmblnd]

66. No, you're ugly.

As many HRC supporters on this board are.

As I said originally, if her supporters spent half the time building her up as they do tearing Senator Sanders down, they might actually change some minds.

Obviously, your mature response to my comment wasn't meant to change any minds, so it must have been meant to reinforce the fact that her supporters have nothing good to say about her and as an example of their envy of Senator Sanders.

Again, have a good day making fart sounds on the internet. I feel certain that eventually you'll come across someone who can relate to your mature, deeply thought out responses.

raspberry
when you blow directly on someone's bare skin resulting in a tickling sensation for the other person and makes a 'farting' sound, usually done on ones stomach http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raspberry

[Surya Gayatri]

67. Thanks for the incisive wit and insight...Bwahaaa!

"an example of their envy of Senator sanders."

As I said, the perception of ugliness is totally subjective and culturally conditioned.

A very personal proclamation, IOW.

[notadmblnd]

68. Ugliness is not mearly subjective nor culturally conditioned

ugliness comes from the inside- and it seems that you've cornered the market on it.

[Surya Gayatri]

69. Sorry, but perceptions of "ugliness" and "beauty" have been proven to be

extremely culturally biased and subject to socially imposed norms, which explains evolving concepts of ugliness/beauty (inside or outside...) over human history.

[notadmblnd]

70. Ugliness has nothing to do with outside appearance.

Perhaps your culture is the exception?

[Surya Gayatri]

71. If you care to read again, the text reads "(inside and outside...)"....

Whether "inside or outside", perceptions of beauty and/or ugliness are colored by cultural norms.

Apparently, within the context of your personally integrated norms, any expression of support for the candidacy of Hillary Clinton is "ugly".

So be it. Can't argue with culturally conditioned responses. (In this case, the "culture" at issue refers to the internally defined norms of the Sanders camp).

[notadmblnd]

72. Perhaps you should re-read what I posted?

because there is nothing you have posted that displays support for your candidate (which was my point). HRC followers do not support their candidate, they tear her opponent down.

Have no doubt. Ugliness is to the bone. I've known many physically attractive people in my life time who are nothing but ugly.

I have no idea of your outside appearance, but through your comment to me- I saw you on the inside. As I said, it is to the bone.

[Surya Gayatri]

73. Oooooh, you saw into my soul, heh...just like Emily Brontë. You're good, really REALLY good.

Maybe you could make a career of it?

[notadmblnd]

74. And you're still ugly.

[Surya Gayatri]

75. And, you are still culturally biased.

[unapatriciated]

54. and yet we are told it is all about his tone.

They are lucky that older Sanders supporters such as myself, do know what is at stake and will stay involved. The new young voters expect to have their issues listened to, not belittled. If the Clinton Camp chooses to continue to ignore and belittle them, it could end badly for all of us.

[notadmblnd]

56. Had one supporter here dismiss young people entirely yesterday

In fact I believe I read you going around and around with that particular one.

But I'll tell you what- I'm amazed when I catch young people talking. They really are much deeper thinkers than what us oldsters give them credit for and to dismiss them right out- it is pure folly on the part of the neo-liberals.

[unapatriciated]

58. I agree all of my grandchildren and nephews

are very involved, they know it is their future at stake. I have four grandchildren and three nephews who will be voting for the first time and all of them support Sanders.


I did go round and round with that guy, his parting remark was an insult. That is why I find it hilarious that it is Sanders or his supporters who asked to tone it down.

[lexington filly]

6. Except I read on Tuesday night or Wednesday the debate was set for Brooklyn.

You might want to take this down.

[tomm2thumbs]

7. Link?

[unapatriciated]

57. as of yesterday still no debate set.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1611477

[Herman4747]

14. Coward & a Hypocrite She Is. n/t

[SylviaD]

19. Must you use terms like those?

Do you really believe HRC is those things?

[Darb]

27. The real question is.................

are you really a Democratic Socialist, or are you really.................

[oberliner]

16. The person who is behind always wants more debates and the person who is ahead does not

That's pretty much always the way it goes.

[Orrex]

18. ^^This

Debates are far more likely to hurt the front-runner than help them, so it's silly to read this as anything other than a reasonable strategy.

[dorkzilla]

20. Yes, because strategy should trump a well-informed electorate

It's less important for people to learn about which candidate is best for them than for the front runner to keep winning. Gotcha.

Some people are just starting to pay attention as their primaries are coming up. You don't think they should be able to judge the candidates for themselves?

[oberliner]

22. Bernie and Hillary were both interviewed on Rachel Maddow last night

Pretty extensive sit down conversations with each of them.

Also, all the major news outlets have shown speeches from the candidates in full.

There have been several debates and town halls - all of which can be watched in their entirety online.

If anyone would like to be informed about the candidates there is a plethora of information available to do so. Probably more in this election cycle than at any time in history due to the internet.

The debates themselves seem to be more about gotcha moments, and what kind of clothes the candidates are wearing, and who yells and who wags their finger and other silly stuff that has nothing to do with each candidate's positions on the issues.

Bernie and Hillary have both given their stump speeches copious times - and anyone can watch any of them on Youtube. Their positions have been well-articulated - including where they differ on issues.

[dorkzilla]

28. Town halls are not debates

And issues arise daily that people will naturally want to hear the candidates discuss. In addition, some people do not have internet access or the time to scour the internet for 2 second sound bites of a candidate addressing a particular issue.

Poor excuses to not debate, especially after additional debates have been agreed to by both parties.

[tomm2thumbs]

30. Clintons argument in clip was that there had been 4 debates with the 2 of them - identical to now

there's no doubt she's hiding out and afraid to risk further falls

if the pressure gets enough, the fear of being labeled a coward will overcome the fear of being in a debate

[oberliner]

39. That's true

I would point out the some people also don't have TV's and some people don't get CNN and some people aren't home during the time that debates are televised.

I do think that Bernie and Hillary have both articulated their positions repeatedly and extensively. It would not take much scouring of the internet to find a Bernie or Hillary stump speech.

And if one wants to get deeper into a particular issue of interest, spending 5 minutes online would probably provide more insight than what one would get from watching a debate (where some issues - like stupid things Trump says - get attention, and others - like transgender rights - get no attention).

I am not saying these are necessarily good excuses not to hold more debates, I am just suggesting that there are lots of more effective ways to get informed about the candidates for anyone who is keen to do so.

[Orrex]

37. Isn't that precious!

Yes, because strategy should trump a well-informed electorate

The candidate's job is to win the support of the electorate, full stop. If further debates will do nothing for Candidate A but will help Candidate B, then for what possible reason--in the real world--should Candidate A wish for further debates?

It is not the responsibility of the candidate to educate the electorate about the issues, nor has it ever been. If the candidate can do both, then great, but reality doesn't often allow that. Certainly not in the last 30 or 40 US Presidential elections, at least.

If your goal is to win an election, then strategy is absolutely more important than educating the electorate, it always has been, and it's naive to pretend otherwise.

But if your goal is to get a more air time as part of a congenitally doomed electoral bid, then by all means spend your time educating the electorate, since you'd have nothing to lose anyway. Afterward, you can even claim to have "won" simply by participating, by "changing the discussion," or by some other feel-good post hoc rationalization.

Some people are just starting to pay attention as their primaries are coming up. You don't think they should be able to judge the candidates for themselves?

I have never claimed anything at all like that, so you'll have to ask someone who holds that opinion.

[dorkzilla]

46. Precious? How fucking condescending can you get? Nt

[mac56]

48. Stick around, DZ.

They can get LOTS more fucking condescending.

[dorkzilla]

50. No kidding!

This is who I feel like I'm dealing with:

[unapatriciated]

55. For some it is their only strategy

humor is the best way to handle them, they soon show who they really are...all they really have is insults.

Like the one this guy threw at me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1611477

[Orrex]

59. You give me plenty to work with.

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I answered your silly and fallacious post point by point, but you can't get past the tone.

What are you afraid of? Why do you refuse to engage on the issues? What are you trying to hide?


As long as you vote for the Democrat on the ticket in Nov 2016, then I don't care what you think in the meantime.

And if you aren't going to vote for the Democrat on the ticket in Nov 2016, then I don't care what you think in the meantime.

[tk2kewl]

24. And Bernie's the one who needs to watch his tone?

[Darb]

26. She has a much bigger lead than he did.

It is basically over. But keep whining about debates if it blows your skirt up.

[BlueMTexpat]

77. +1! eom

[Dustlawyer]

29. She won't debate because she has learned that the more people who hear their two messages,

the more will vote for Bernie!

Doesn't bode well for the General if the people don't like her or her message. She is not getting the Independant vote and will lose a lot of the Sander's vote should she win. Add to that the Republicans who would not have normally voted, will do so against her!

We know she is a hypocrite and has no shame, so this is no surprise. She obviously thinks Bernie can more than hold his own against her to want to avoid him. I will give her credit where due, she is a good debater as well, her message just sucks!

[michealgordons]

49. lol shame

lol shame

[BlueMTexpat]

76. Well, you may have to walk this back a bit.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-campaign-says-bernie-sanders-rejected-new-york-n549671

Hillary Clinton's campaign said Saturday that rival Bernie Sanders has rejected three proposed debate dates ahead of the New York primary on April 19 — marking the latest dustup in an increasingly heated fight for the Democratic nomination.

Clinton's campaign said in a statement that it offered April 4 as the first potential date, but the Sanders team wanted instead to schedule the debate after the Wisconsin primary on April 5. Clinton officials then suggested April 14 and April 15 as possibilities and are hopeful Sanders will come to accept one of these dates.

"The Sanders campaign needs to stop with the games," Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon wrote. "The Sanders campaign needs to stop using the New York primary as a playground for political games and negative attacks against Hillary Clinton. The voters of New York deserve better."

Lots of flip-flopping all around. But only one side seems to have refused several dates so far. And it's not Hillary's.