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Kyle's rant following Jon Stewart's comments is nothing new if you subscribe to Secular Talk, but Jon Stewart's comments at the beginning of the clip are a must-see. This is exactly the kind of comment you'd expect from Jon Stewart regarding Hillary Clinton.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Is that everyone in the world that's paid even the slightest attention to her sees this easily. She could hardly be more inauthentic of inconsistent or... Well I'll stop there.
The point is - everyone sees this except her faithful. Which is weird.
840high
(17,196 posts)Truman. Never has there been an election as strange as this one.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)It's what Larry Beinhart would call a "fog fact," something that most people know but no one reports on.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)I'm fed up with Trevor Noah. He's all-Trump-all-the-time, which makes him no better than the gang at MSNBC.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)He just gets on my nerves.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The guy is doing a great job and making the show his own while honoring the intent of Stewart's vision.
I laugh out loud several times each episode.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Phony
chervilant
(8,267 posts)kadaholo
(304 posts)...it perfectly!
840high
(17,196 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... want to have nothing to do with her:
Robert Reich: Served in the Clinton cabinet and has known Hillary since they were both in college. He's a Bernie supporter
Marian Wright Edelman: Founder of the Children's Defense Fund and Hillary's "mentor" has unceremoniously distanced herself from Hillary's politics. Ouch!
It's sad, really. And I'd be inclined to be more sympathetic, except for the fact that she's selfishly dragging the whole country down with her. For once, it's not about Hillary. It's about the fate of the country.
senz
(11,945 posts)So many people see it. Makes me wonder, how did she get so far on so little?
Duval
(4,280 posts)I miss Jon Stewart but it would be even better if we had Keith Olbermann, too.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)for President Sander's press secretary.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)That would be interesting.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)arikara
(5,562 posts)she enabled them. I think because it was all about Hillary and Bill was her route to get to where she is today.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)At the end of the day she is close friends with most of the DNC inner circle, the Clinton brand and dynasty is strong in the Democratic party and she has a lot of big donor, and media allies.
To put it lightly, she has a strong institutional support and the Clinton Dynasty at her back which is no small matter. Even to have so badly wounded her, and still have potential to win (However slim). She is...... well its hard to say what she is other than someone seeking power. In a sense I'd compare her to Petyr Baelish of the Song of Ice and Fire books. She understands power and what power brings and wants it.
But, her anemic performance reveals her inherent weakness with people not invested emotionally in the DNC. Her main appeal is she is a Clinton who has institutional support. Plus the fear of a Trump presidency and Republican government. Even with that and all she has she does poorly, winning Democrats largely on the "I am a Clinton," message. Which again, is no small thing.
Sanders has grievously wounded her, he may yet even best her, and that is a testament to her nature and how obvious it is to many people. Even with every possible advantage, and an opposition more reviled than most things, even cartoonishly hated, she still struggles.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Jon nails it as usual.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Well it's how I feel too.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)..every single issue I have with her. Throw in LIbya and what the Foundation did to Haitiand her squirminess on social security and the indictment is complete.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)mountain grammy
(26,988 posts)But underneath I do believe she has redeeming qualities, at least that's what I hear from people who's opinions I respect and value.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)I don't doubt she must have redeeming qualities, and I don't think she's fundamentally dishonest like so many RW talking heads would have us believe. The problem is I don't know what kind of person she really is, because she wouldn't let it show.
But ultimately, it's not about her. You have to care most about the consequences of actions taken by people with a lot of power in their hands. Those consequences are what matters in the end, and that should speak volumes about a person's character -I have to assume that anybody who laughs about killing a leader of the country is unstable, and sick inside.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Jon Stewart says it like no other person can. The powerful and THIS Democratic Party knows it too. I won't go on.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Flatpicker
(894 posts)I don't get Hillary.
This Hillary in 2016 is the wrong person for where we need to be.
Her 1993 self was more forward thinking than the 2016 version.
She sold her soul so many times already that what may have been genuinely her has been lost.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)With Clinton, there is no there there.
It was Gertrude Stein who said that--"there is no there there"--when she was on a return visit to the Bay Area, and was looking for her childhood home in Oakland, CA, a home with lots of acreage, lawns and gardens, surrounded by orchards and farms. It was now covered over with new homes. The "there" of her childhood home was gone.
Clinton is not rooted to any place. She is not OF any place or its people or its critters. She is a transglobal jet setter who now hangs with people like Bush, Kissinger and Trump. She is, like them, now, a multi-billionaire. The 1% has made her and she is a member of their global non-country with loyalty to no one but this sky-born royalty that touches down on earth for business, luxury recreation and sketching out their plans, such as "The Project For a New American Century."
No there there. There is nothing to be discovered there of high ideals, of democratic principles, of good government, though quite a bit of substance can be found there, of greed and mass murder. But evil empties the soul, in the end.
I believed for awhile, through Bill Clinton's administration anyway, that as a citizen of a country doing evil in the world, it was perhaps best to have clever, wily, corrupt people running things, so long as they had some loyalty, some minimal feeling of obligation, to the rest of us, and provided some sops to us, like little incremental raises to the minimum wage. 25 cents an hour can mean a lot to the very poor. Simple, honest people couldn't handle the "Beltway" snake pit. It took the corrupt to handle the corrupt. It's also called "the lesser of two evils." But I mean a bit more than this. I mean the "lesser evil" needs to be smart and a real maneuverer and wheel-dealer and con man. Clinton was all of those things, so I voted for him (not having any choice), thinking of that 25 cents an hour more for the poorest of the poor.
I considered this thought about Hillary Clinton. While Bernie Sanders is far from simple, as an intellect, he does like simple living and is as honest as the clear blue sky. Could he snake his way through the vipers' nest of Washington DC, to get anything done? Could he survive it, let alone reform it? Hillary Clinton has these wily, conniving qualities I'm talking about. I could even maybe (maybe!) forgive her kissing Kissinger and begging from Bush donors, or at least put my scruples aside, if I thought she could become a good ruler--a sort of Queen Elizabeth I to Bill's 25 cents an hour presidency.
But I don't think she can. I think she has the soul of a corrupt and power-hungry courtier, not of a true monarch who actually loves her people. I think the connection--the 25 cents an hour connection--has been broken. No more sops to the poor. Greed for power and money have consumed her and her associates in the sky-born kingdom. They are going to inflict their final blows to our democracy, using her as their tool. We are going to see Social Security privatized and what little social safety net we have ripped from us. Our very sovereignty as a people will be shredded by TPP.
Her soul is empty--no there there. She is only interested in her own power in that uber circle. I may be wrong. She may be wily enough to disguise her own soul. Maybe she has some home that it would break her heart not to be able to find again. But my strong sense is that there isn't.
As for Bernie, I've grown strongly to believe that he is wiliest old guy who ever sat on a House subcommittee, and has somehow kept himself rooted to a place, Vermont, and to his ideals. He is best the leader we have ever been given a chance to vote for. And he will survive it, and he will reform it, with--as he requires--our help.
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Nyan
(1,192 posts)Thanks for your thoughts. It reads like a poem.
Canoe52
(2,961 posts)No not Jon Steward, the guy who went on talking for 7 minutes after Jon?
Nyan
(1,192 posts)It's not that hard.
Canoe52
(2,961 posts)And I'm still confused.
But my statement was also a way to express some emotion, don't 'ch know?
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Sadly, when I feel she does hold strong convictions I tend to be on the opposite side (See: willingness for war, fracking). It's not just that though. It's the lack of conviction anywhere else. She supports things only when it is politically safe and shows very little political courage otherwise.
I have no desire to vote for someone when they're just paying lip-service. I'd rather vote for something I believe in. That is currently not a choice I have been offered.
She's riding on the back of name recognition and lower information voters. She may very well win. That's fine, but it won't be a good day for the democratic party if/when she does. I foresee a lot of backlash come midterms as liberal democrats will not able to be rallied by Clinton, and many conservatives filled by hate will actively use that as motivation come midterms.
If her competition was anybody but Trump her electability would honestly not look very good, but you've got a historically terrible candidate on the right and people will be voting out of fear. When that happens, no one wins.
Sorry for dumping that bit of truth on you guys, and I hope I'm wrong for everyone's sake. Hopefully Clinton will turn out to be the best president ever, but seeing as how she doesn't seem to have those convictions... I'm skeptical.
Until then, let's drink and be merry and forget about the election come November for as long as we can. Shit is not good for my mental state.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)To merely call her a flip-flopper doesn't accurately describe her. She flip-flops with the best of them, but something else is going on. The lack of convictions, or an honest advocacy of those she has, is what is missing. Of course, as Jon speculated maybe she just doesn't have any real convictions other than maximizing her wealth, status, and power. I really suspect the later.
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Facts do not change, and at least Bernie, is true and sane...Why don't at least some of those for the Hill coming around to the facts?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TBF
(33,219 posts)it has been far too long that the power in this country (both economically and politically) has been held by white males, but I really don't think she is the one to break through. Someone like Elizabeth Warren who has been pounding away at the banks after being elected Senator would have been my pick (and she didn't win her senatorial seat because of her husband - she did it on her own). My hope is that after the dust settles on this we take a good look at who we can catapult with our power of grass roots - now that Bernie has illustrated how to get it done. The younger women - Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard, Kshama Sawant - these women need our support. I found out about Nina on Twitter and have been following her. I would really like to see her run for a national seat.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I see the adulation as similar to those kids that always sided with the biggest bully. They didn't care that he beat up helpless kids.