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This should Scare Everyone (Original Post) zebonaut Jul 2016 OP
Moore's about my age Warpy Jul 2016 #1
Starts around 10:30 into video citood Jul 2016 #2
why it's good the polls are close...motivation to vote heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #3
What if he gets another 10 or 15% more white voters to vote. There are lots of doc03 Jul 2016 #5
to overcome the non white Demographic heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #7
Michael Moore is telling us what he senses in Michigan. I am in Ohio doc03 Jul 2016 #4
Don't be scared... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #6

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
1. Moore's about my age
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

and we've seen disaster after disaster get elected because there was enough hate drummed up against hippies, against smart college dudes, against Ay-rabs, against women, and against just about everyone who isn't a hetero WASP male, preferably with a gun.

OK, so Stupid wasn't exactly elected either time, but it was close enough to steal, so they did.

This is what he's afraid of and this is what I'm afraid of.

Hillary Clinton has just as many negatives for low information voters as Trump has. It doesn't matter that hers are illusory, the low information voter is called that for a reason.

She's not going to coast in because he's nuts. She's going to have to fight for every vote she gets.

heresAthingdotcom

(160 posts)
3. why it's good the polls are close...motivation to vote
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie said one thing that every American that doesn't want to see Trump in the White House should take to heart....

If the turn out is around 70 million, Hillary wins... if the Demographics get out and vote Hillary wins....

If Hillary gets the same percentage of White voters as President Obama, she wins...

'Demography Favors the Democrats'

A complex set of demographic factors are at play in this year’s presidential election, but most them are working against the GOP.

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/02/demography-favors-the-democrats/470937/

This article outlines 6 Demographic scenarios and in only 1 of the 6 does Trump win... and that scenario is if a higher percentage of white Americans support Trump than the support for President Obama....



Donald Trump will not be president: History, polling data and demographics all point to a single result


Donald Trump thinks he can reverse that trend by appealing to angry white voters, but the 2012 results show why that won’t work. Lost in the uproar over Trump’s divisive appeals is the fact that Republicans already win whites by huge margins. For example, in 2012 Romney carried white voters by 20 points, and yet he still lost.

The reason was that Obama won the support of minority voters by even bigger margins. He carried 93 percent of African-American voters, 71 percent of Latino voters and 73 percent of Asian voters.

The electorate’s demographics will be even more unfavorable for the GOP in 2016. Nonwhite voters constituted 28 percent of the electorate in 2012, but in 2016 about 38 percent of Americans are minorities, which means the potential ceiling for minority turnout is extremely high.


http://www.salon.com/2016/05/05/donald_trump_will_not_be_president_history_polling_data_and_demographics_all_point_to_a_single_result_partner/

And Hillary is doing better the non white demographics than President Obama did... she is doing better with white women than President Obama did and with college educated white Americans she beats Trump from 5 to 10% a demographic Romney won by 14 percent in 2012....

Bill Maher said it better than Moore... complacency..... the polls being close will drive Democrats out in November....

doc03

(35,337 posts)
5. What if he gets another 10 or 15% more white voters to vote. There are lots of
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

people that have felt betrayed by both parties that don't even think their vote matters. I think you are going to have a huge turn out of
anti-establishment voters this time. Look what happened with the Brexit vote, it caught everyone by surprise.

heresAthingdotcom

(160 posts)
7. to overcome the non white Demographic
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jul 2016

the white voter percentage in the UK is 87% white and in America about 63% is white....

U.S. percentage of non-Hispanic whites hits all-time low of 63%



The percentage of non-Hispanic white people in the U.S. population has reached an all-time low: 63%. That is 197.7 million white people out of 313.9 million Americans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772


The math suggests Trump would need a whopping 70 percent of white men to vote for him. That’s more than Republicans have ever won before – more than the GOP won in the landslide victories of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and far more than they won even during the racially polarized elections of Barack Obama.


Even allowing for just a typical seven percent to eight percent gender gap, that still means, as noted above, that Trump’s share of white men would need to reach 70 percent in order to capture a majority of the popular vote. That’s higher even than the 68 percent of white guys won by Richard Nixon in 1972 and by Reagan in 1984, in their respective 49-state landslide re-elections.


So Trump needs 7 in 10 white men to over come the minority support for Hillary....

So I took a peek at Quinnippiac’s most recent national polling, and it turns out that Trump is well short of that seven-in-10 mark. Trump beats Hillary Clinton by 57-31 among white males, and he beats Bernie Sanders by 55-35 among them. Interestingly, the other GOP candidates do around as well as Trump does against Clinton among that demographic.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/04/there-may-not-be-enough-white-men-in-america-to-elect-trump-president/

The demographics don't favor Donald Trump... turnout is key ...

President Obama won in 2012 because he got 5 million more votes than Romney... President Obama beat McCain because he got 7 million more votes than McCain... people have to get out and vote

and if Democrats turn out the vote in 2016 Hillary will win.... because she will simply get more votes....

doc03

(35,337 posts)
4. Michael Moore is telling us what he senses in Michigan. I am in Ohio
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

and I am seeing the same thing. I have yet to see one Hillary bumper sticker or sign on an Ohio car, I see more and more Trump
campaign signs, stickers, t-shirts and hats every day. We hear about this great ground game she has and that stuff doesn't matter.
I talk to middle class people everyday that have always voted Democratic and very few admit to supporting Hillary. Lets face it states like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania have been devastated by the so called free trade deals. Then you add the gun issue in you lose more votes. Then there is the loss of all the coal mining jobs. Then you have all the negatives the Republicans have piled on Hillary the last 25 years and it doesn't look like any kind of shoe in by any means. I hope we are both wrong.
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