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Democrats continue to come to a gun fight with a butter knife. Michael Moore (Original Post) impeachtrumpquick Dec 2016 OP
Because they are only slightly less beholden to corporate $ than the GOP Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #1
imo it's not the money certainot Dec 2016 #8
One drop! Ladyhawke1 Dec 2016 #11
+1!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #12
hate me all ya want DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #2
+1 narnian60 Dec 2016 #10
Discipline versus Serendipity bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #3
+1. nt chowder66 Dec 2016 #9
Half expect the republicans to outlaw the democratic party. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #4
I can't believe this post was alerted on for non-support of Democrats Auggie Dec 2016 #5
There is a faction here that wants to quash any and all criticism of Democrats in the name of unity Cowpunk Dec 2016 #6
if he doesn't point to talk radio he's not helping certainot Dec 2016 #7
Michael Moore needs to focus on films duffyduff Dec 2016 #13
Why is he wearing a 49ers hat? oberliner Dec 2016 #14
Democrats do this rtracey Dec 2016 #15


(5,191 posts)
1. Because they are only slightly less beholden to corporate $ than the GOP
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:52 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:13 PM - Edit history (1)

All DU Posts, including my own, are virtually moot until we get the outside money out of our elections. A grassroots movement to pass an amendment reversing Citizens United is the only real hope we have!



(9,090 posts)
8. imo it's not the money
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:37 PM
Dec 2016

we have to get it out but trump beat the repub establishment and dems without it

here's the problem: at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

we don't have much of a chance with any major reforms without recognizing talk radio is the reason people like bush palin and trump can even get close to the white house.


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11. One drop!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:43 PM
Dec 2016

How does that saying go…… “ A waterfall starts with one drop of water.” You will never know if you do not start.


(10,504 posts)
12. +1!!!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:57 PM
Dec 2016

They are all bought off to some degree or another. There is no such thing as spineless Democrats, they back down because their Donors tell them to. If we had a neutral FBI that wanted to do their job they could set up a sting and bust everyone of the politicians.

Washington is nothing but one big Quid Pro Quo.

When Trump and the Republicans start passing the heartless bills stripping the social safety net, killing public education, killing Obamacare, we need to be reminding the Trump supporters who is doing this to them! If we can start taking away the Republican base and motivating ours to stand up and fight we can accomplish our goals.

If we do this right we can take it all back, except this time we need to put in politicians prepared to eliminate campaign contributions, Super PACs, Dark Money, and the Revolving Door. We need Publicly Funded Elections!

They need to be prepared to bust up the banking and media oligarchies and require truth in news. Advertising at the networks must be kept separate from the news departments.


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3. Discipline versus Serendipity
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

Democrats have brought diverse interests together and blended them,
and compromised, and traded off each other, and tried to rule from the
political middle in what is common sense to them.

Republicans have brought their core radical conservative ideas together
and put teeth in them, then hacked away at whatever wouldn't agree
with them.

Obama tried to define American values at his DNC speech in July 2016,
and I thought it a remarkable statement, unassailable. How do we make
our party troops ready to do battle and convince voters of the value of
our core beliefs? Voter apathy is as big a hurdle as any.


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5. I can't believe this post was alerted on for non-support of Democrats
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:03 PM
Dec 2016

Moore is trying to help. Good fucking grief ...


(738 posts)
6. There is a faction here that wants to quash any and all criticism of Democrats in the name of unity
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:11 PM
Dec 2016

Some of these people even dare to call themselves progressive.



(9,090 posts)
7. if he doesn't point to talk radio he's not helping
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:29 PM
Dec 2016

everyone's studying fish without the water, blaming symptoms, not the major cause.

it's pathetic.



(3,251 posts)
13. Michael Moore needs to focus on films
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:54 PM
Dec 2016

and stop trashing the Dems. He has no credibility whatsoever after he lied about why the rust belt white dudes voted Trump.

I don't care if he never talks again. I am sick of him, just as I am sick of Sanders.



(2,062 posts)
15. Democrats do this
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

We are a bunch of wimps. We refuse to fight for what we want. Our leadership are meek and absent of backbone. Will they stand up to Fuckump? I doubt it. Schumer is the Senate minority leader, will he be a leader or just another follower. I fear the later. Nancy Pelosy already stated there is noting wrong with our party...yeah nice statement, way to shaft us. WE NEED LEADERSHIP THAT IS WILLING TO FILIBUSTER, AGITATE, AGITATE, AGITATE.

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