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Paul Ryan channels his inner Ayn Rand: Health care is neither a right nor a privilege (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2017 OP
I have deep deep hatred of this person. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #1
I am his constituent. ginnyinWI Mar 2017 #2
ask him why he accepts tax-payer funded health care for himself and his colleagues. niyad Mar 2017 #4
AND after his family milked Social Security (and you know he's coming for that next) maddiemom Mar 2017 #7
Social Security is there for all surving spouses of those who have worked and contributed to it. Texin Mar 2017 #16
I never implied Ryan was not entitled to help from Social Security growing up-- maddiemom Mar 2017 #19
lest we forget that Ayn Rand also used public assistance mdbl Mar 2017 #22
They are gunning for Social Security. Paul Ryan is aiming to re-configure all US social programs japple Mar 2017 #20
this post is everything. JHan Mar 2017 #9
That's what I'm thinking Plucketeer Mar 2017 #12
Nope turbinetree Mar 2017 #6
Ask him how he thinks he's a Christian. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #15
Silly! He worships at the altar of Ayn Rand not Jesus. Texin Mar 2017 #17
FU, you pathetic piece of slime. why is it that civilized countries have some form of universal niyad Mar 2017 #3
Hey Eddie Munster, I am the government and I want (WE the People) the government to turbinetree Mar 2017 #5
How about him giving up his taxpayer-funded healthcare plan? dalton99a Mar 2017 #8
The U.S. government was created to protect "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Lanius Mar 2017 #10
Paul and his ilk think oxygen is not a right. muntrv Mar 2017 #11
Thanks! I see it now! Plucketeer Mar 2017 #13
Some might think that Turbineguy Mar 2017 #14
They want the old and sick to die quick. The quicker the better. The rest of us Texin Mar 2017 #18
Young Ryan was a torturer JCat Mar 2017 #21
and so are the jerks in wisconsin who put him there. mdbl Mar 2017 #23

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. I have deep deep hatred of this person.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:40 PM
Mar 2017

What makes my hatred worse is I know the very people he will KILL with his politics will vote FOR him, again and again. Until he kills them.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
2. I am his constituent.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:43 PM
Mar 2017

Do you think there is anything I could say to him (like in an email to his office) that would make any difference?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
7. AND after his family milked Social Security (and you know he's coming for that next)
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 03:16 PM
Mar 2017

to raise and educate him after his father died, when they were far from poor. What's WRONG with this man? Impoverishing the old, father/motherless and the infirm seems to be his life's work. Since the rest of the civilized world considers healthcare a human right, how does he keep coming up with the same old excuses for the U.S.? At least Congress could give us a show of faith by having the same health insurance "plan" that we, their employers, must settle for---and Medicare in their retirement.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
16. Social Security is there for all surving spouses of those who have worked and contributed to it.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 06:54 PM
Mar 2017

Provided, of course, they are legally allowed to those benefits (i.e., not undocumented workers who actually do work and pay SS taxes by using fake SS numbers, which they'll never have access to unless they become a citizen, which is probably not going to happen in my lifetime again). What I'm saying is that the widows (or widowers) and their minor children are entitled to those benefits, regardless of their financial circumstances. I haven't read enough about Ryan to know what his childhood-teen circumstances actually were, but I understood that while they were far from impoverished, his mother was not working at the time his father died (or during her marriage to their father IIRC). A woman trying to raise kids and returning to the workforce is difficult for most, and especially hard on those working class and poorer, but even juggling family demands and managing their support on wages that are less than their male counterparts is a struggle for the majority of women, unless they are trust fund legacies.

I think if they try to gun for that program, they will have crossed a bridge too far. So... I don't expect that to happen, actually until they cement permanent restrictions to voters' access and registration to vote in the country AND, I don't think they'll try it until after the 2018 elections. They've been working apace for the better part of the past 20 years trying and achieving that throughout the country through purges and gerrymandering, and unless somebody blows up the state and federal legislators all over the country, they've got it locked up, and like restricting immigration, this is also probably going to continue for the rest of my lifetime. It's a bleak, scary future, folks.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
19. I never implied Ryan was not entitled to help from Social Security growing up--
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 07:25 PM
Mar 2017

I just take exception to the hypocrisy that assumes "others" out there are "cheating" the system, and are undeserving. Ryan was "concerned" about the single mother who might be paying taxes to support school meals for kids and meals on wheels. Hold on, asshole: a parent can still be paying taxes and supporting the kids on a low enough income to qualify them for school meals and their aging parents for "meals on wheels." In fact, this is pretty much as it goes, these days. If the parent is able to work taxes out fairly, he/she might even be relieved or have a refund.

japple

(9,824 posts)
20. They are gunning for Social Security. Paul Ryan is aiming to re-configure all US social programs
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:19 PM
Mar 2017

including Social Security, which he is now calling an entitlement even though every taxpayer in the entire US has been paying into for generations.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
12. That's what I'm thinking
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 04:22 PM
Mar 2017

Walk the talk Ryan. Dispense with the government provided health care TODAY! The fucking IRONY of what these asshats SAY and/or DO is beyond incredible!

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
6. Nope
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 03:13 PM
Mar 2017

You, me and millions of others are looked down from him and are meaningless and we are not good enough, we are beneath him and his ilk, just listen to what he said in that video, he does not care one iota

He looks at us as being a human waste, no bodies, because we ask for something in return with "our" money, while he gets his


And by the way good luck, let us know if you get a response or a meeting

Just think there are over 218 of them in Washington, (under different names like Freedom Caucus) with this AYN RAND party faithful, just read what happened in Utah, and what needs to be done, we need to get out and vote these cretin's out of office, this man below started the "defunding" of force protection for the State Department what does the sexual predator and his crony Tillerson want to do with that funding , gut the State Department out of 31% of there funding


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chaffetz-iphone-gaffe-lands-well-funded-challenger

niyad

(113,302 posts)
3. FU, you pathetic piece of slime. why is it that civilized countries have some form of universal
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:44 PM
Mar 2017

health care? and why is health care part of the UN declaration on human rights?

if health care is neither a right nor a privilege, then I suggest that you give up YOUR TAX-PAYER paid-for health care.
and go straight to hell, you soulless, hate-filled, asshole. how do you BREATHE, so lacking in any basic positive, decent human emotions?

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
5. Hey Eddie Munster, I am the government and I want (WE the People) the government to
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:48 PM
Mar 2017

give US Health Care and not by some Ayn Rand assh*** health care, that does not represent WE the People. We are not corpoartions of greed we are human beings ass****

And have you really listened to your self when you speak, your a f***ing fascist, you have no empathy, none, just listen to what you said, this two minute speech that "you" gave, shows your outright disdain for everything, unless it is tied to greed


FUCK YOU



Lanius

(599 posts)
10. The U.S. government was created to protect "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 03:57 PM
Mar 2017

I'd argue that one can't have life, liberty or wellbeing without good physical and mental health, so it's up to government (i.e., we the People) to ensure the health of all Americans.

All this comes down to is the Ayn Rand acolytes like Paul Ryan don't want the rich to pay any taxes and to punish the poor for being "lazy." Ryan never left his college-boy Libertarian phase.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. Thanks! I see it now!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 04:28 PM
Mar 2017

They'll FORCE us to be born whether our folks want that or not. Then once we're "out", they can charge us for air, water, energy use and whatever else we need to get by while we polish their yachts and pay for their kids needs.

God DAMMIT! I'm gonna go REPUB-LICK-CAN!

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
14. Some might think that
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 05:25 PM
Mar 2017

a healthy population is a sound social investment in the same way infrastructure is.

But republicans like to sow fear. BOO! EBOLA!

Texin

(2,596 posts)
18. They want the old and sick to die quick. The quicker the better. The rest of us
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 06:59 PM
Mar 2017

will be forced into the military for his foreign crusades or into conscripted work farms. "Arbeit macht frei," doncha know?

JCat

(26 posts)
21. Young Ryan was a torturer
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:07 PM
Mar 2017

A friend of mine lived in Janesville and grew up just a few houses away from Paul Ryan. She informed me that when he was a kid he would torture animals.
He is now out to torture humans. Ryan is a truly evil man.

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