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Related: About this forumPaul Ryan channels his inner Ayn Rand: Health care is neither a right nor a privilege
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/paul-ryan-channels-his-inner-ayn-rand-health-care-is-neither-a-right-nor-a-privilege/
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)What makes my hatred worse is I know the very people he will KILL with his politics will vote FOR him, again and again. Until he kills them.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Do you think there is anything I could say to him (like in an email to his office) that would make any difference?
niyad
(113,302 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)to raise and educate him after his father died, when they were far from poor. What's WRONG with this man? Impoverishing the old, father/motherless and the infirm seems to be his life's work. Since the rest of the civilized world considers healthcare a human right, how does he keep coming up with the same old excuses for the U.S.? At least Congress could give us a show of faith by having the same health insurance "plan" that we, their employers, must settle for---and Medicare in their retirement.
Texin
(2,596 posts)Provided, of course, they are legally allowed to those benefits (i.e., not undocumented workers who actually do work and pay SS taxes by using fake SS numbers, which they'll never have access to unless they become a citizen, which is probably not going to happen in my lifetime again). What I'm saying is that the widows (or widowers) and their minor children are entitled to those benefits, regardless of their financial circumstances. I haven't read enough about Ryan to know what his childhood-teen circumstances actually were, but I understood that while they were far from impoverished, his mother was not working at the time his father died (or during her marriage to their father IIRC). A woman trying to raise kids and returning to the workforce is difficult for most, and especially hard on those working class and poorer, but even juggling family demands and managing their support on wages that are less than their male counterparts is a struggle for the majority of women, unless they are trust fund legacies.
I think if they try to gun for that program, they will have crossed a bridge too far. So... I don't expect that to happen, actually until they cement permanent restrictions to voters' access and registration to vote in the country AND, I don't think they'll try it until after the 2018 elections. They've been working apace for the better part of the past 20 years trying and achieving that throughout the country through purges and gerrymandering, and unless somebody blows up the state and federal legislators all over the country, they've got it locked up, and like restricting immigration, this is also probably going to continue for the rest of my lifetime. It's a bleak, scary future, folks.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I just take exception to the hypocrisy that assumes "others" out there are "cheating" the system, and are undeserving. Ryan was "concerned" about the single mother who might be paying taxes to support school meals for kids and meals on wheels. Hold on, asshole: a parent can still be paying taxes and supporting the kids on a low enough income to qualify them for school meals and their aging parents for "meals on wheels." In fact, this is pretty much as it goes, these days. If the parent is able to work taxes out fairly, he/she might even be relieved or have a refund.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)what a hypocrite.
japple
(9,824 posts)including Social Security, which he is now calling an entitlement even though every taxpayer in the entire US has been paying into for generations.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Walk the talk Ryan. Dispense with the government provided health care TODAY! The fucking IRONY of what these asshats SAY and/or DO is beyond incredible!
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)You, me and millions of others are looked down from him and are meaningless and we are not good enough, we are beneath him and his ilk, just listen to what he said in that video, he does not care one iota
He looks at us as being a human waste, no bodies, because we ask for something in return with "our" money, while he gets his
And by the way good luck, let us know if you get a response or a meeting
Just think there are over 218 of them in Washington, (under different names like Freedom Caucus) with this AYN RAND party faithful, just read what happened in Utah, and what needs to be done, we need to get out and vote these cretin's out of office, this man below started the "defunding" of force protection for the State Department what does the sexual predator and his crony Tillerson want to do with that funding , gut the State Department out of 31% of there funding
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chaffetz-iphone-gaffe-lands-well-funded-challenger
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Texin
(2,596 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)health care? and why is health care part of the UN declaration on human rights?
if health care is neither a right nor a privilege, then I suggest that you give up YOUR TAX-PAYER paid-for health care.
and go straight to hell, you soulless, hate-filled, asshole. how do you BREATHE, so lacking in any basic positive, decent human emotions?
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)give US Health Care and not by some Ayn Rand assh*** health care, that does not represent WE the People. We are not corpoartions of greed we are human beings ass****
And have you really listened to your self when you speak, your a f***ing fascist, you have no empathy, none, just listen to what you said, this two minute speech that "you" gave, shows your outright disdain for everything, unless it is tied to greed
FUCK YOU
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Lanius
(599 posts)I'd argue that one can't have life, liberty or wellbeing without good physical and mental health, so it's up to government (i.e., we the People) to ensure the health of all Americans.
All this comes down to is the Ayn Rand acolytes like Paul Ryan don't want the rich to pay any taxes and to punish the poor for being "lazy." Ryan never left his college-boy Libertarian phase.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)They'll FORCE us to be born whether our folks want that or not. Then once we're "out", they can charge us for air, water, energy use and whatever else we need to get by while we polish their yachts and pay for their kids needs.
God DAMMIT! I'm gonna go REPUB-LICK-CAN!
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)a healthy population is a sound social investment in the same way infrastructure is.
But republicans like to sow fear. BOO! EBOLA!
Texin
(2,596 posts)will be forced into the military for his foreign crusades or into conscripted work farms. "Arbeit macht frei," doncha know?
JCat
(26 posts)A friend of mine lived in Janesville and grew up just a few houses away from Paul Ryan. She informed me that when he was a kid he would torture animals.
He is now out to torture humans. Ryan is a truly evil man.