Cenk explains the corruption that so many people here willfully refuse to understand

[ProfessorPlum]

It's about corruption. It's about being paid to lose. It's about the long con. We can love the Democratic party and its principles and ideals, and also call out those elements of it that run counter to those principles.

[brush]

1. It would be nice to get rid of lobbyists all together. It would also be nice to go after repug...

lobbyists as well, especially on this Democratic site.

TYT, what's up with that?

[ProfessorPlum]

55. TYT goes after corrupt Republicans and Republican lobbyists all of the time

[George II]

73. Is he going after Roemer,Robinson,Melville & Co., the private equity fund that gave him $4 million?

[Eliot Rosewater]

102. Cenk works for Putin, so this makes sense.

[ProfessorPlum]

105. wow.

any evidence for that wild claim?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

117. Kinda hard to tell the difference between D and R lobbyists when they work both sides of the street.

[brush]

118. That's true. I wish that whole lobbying thing didn't exist

I heard Cenk today on satellite radio just trashing Pelosi and the Dem party.

It went on and on I had to turn the dial.

What is it with him and some of these other so-called progressives? Whose side are they on?

[Cary]

2. Same thing "conservatives" say to sow discord and discontent

I hope they pay Cenk well. He is good at undermining Democrats.

[ProfessorPlum]

56. He is a stalwart of Democratic principles and wants Democratic politicians

to resist being corrupted by our corrupt political system.

[Cary]

63. I would be more impressed if he helped Democrats instead of stabbing us in the back

[ProfessorPlum]

65. another accusation without evidence.

[Cary]

86. I call it as I see it

I wasn't aware that I owed you anything.

[Plucketeer]

80. Help them what???

Rake in corporate cash?

[Cary]

87. Excuse me but I believe In Democrats

If you have a problem with that then you have a problem.

[Plucketeer]

107. I don't have a problem with your preferrances

I'm just a peon in this society. I don't know what I'd do if I had any significant money, but I'll bet I could find a pair of shoes that would feel comfy in a picket line.

[Cary]

111. I am involved in this society

You ought to do that too. It's too easy to complain and second guess. I have been on the other end of that from whiners and mopes after the fact.

My Senators are Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth. My Representative is Jan Schakowsky. I love these people and what they stand for. I value and respect them and their public service.

There was a time when people valued and respected their public servants. It's a shame that people who put.themselves out there get abused the way President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were abused.

[Gothmog]

94. Cenk hates the Democratic party

That does not make him a stalwart of anything but some sad and wrong claims

[ProfessorPlum]

97. wow, what an unsubstantiated claim. I think you win the prize today.

[Gothmog]

100. Why do you think that these videos are so popular on JPR?

[Eliot Rosewater]

103. You dont know what you are talking about, at all.

I, on the other hand, know about Cenk and can assure you he aint who you think he is.

[ProfessorPlum]

106. ? evidence? any particular information you are trying to convey here besides a blanket smear?

[FreepFryer]

3. Cenk knows about corruption. How much Republican investment $ has he taken so far? (nt)

[Cha]

21. cenk sets himself as a pillar.. but, "do as I say Not as I do"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. Four million to hire a bunch of racist journalists

Who accuse Maxine of assaulting then

[ProfessorPlum]

57. accusation with no evidence. Welcome to ignore.

[FreepFryer]

74. Wow, your post and replies exhibit zero class, thanks for the baseless ignore.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/young-turks-becoming-breitbart-left/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-young-turks-network-raises-4-million-from-former-republican-presidential-candidate/

[wasupaloopa]

4. Cenk did as much as anyone to help defeat Hillary. He is saying Democratic lobbyists now work for

the right. I don't believe a word he has to say about loyalty to the Democratic party.

So what made them Democrats during Hillary's campaign. If we say their elegance is to who ever they raise money for than today they are no longer Dems.

My guess is that they raise money for a living and do not have a political motive.

[ProfessorPlum]

58. He isn't talking about Democratic fundraisers

he is talking about lobbyists who are paid by big corporations to force, bribe, cajole, threaten, etc. politicians to do what big corporations want.

"My guess is that they raise money for a living and do not have a political motive."

that's a laughably stupid guess.

[beachbum bob]

5. Cenk has betrayed the democratic party, don't know why any one would listen to him

period

[ProfessorPlum]

59. slander without evidence.

[Cary]

91. There is enough to make a reasonably objective argument against Cenk

The fact that you don't like that argument doesn't mean it's frivolous. Make your case, if you can, but be good enough to avoid gimmicks.

[Plucketeer]

83. For hope

and truth. That's why.

[Eliot Rosewater]

104. Cenk is being used HERE to weaken the Democratic Party, it will work too.

Now I am a very far left liberal, very pro D party at the moment, but I have to be VERY VERY Careful what I say or I will be OUTTA here.

While at the same time there is thread after thread attacking democratic party here. They are disguised as other things, but make no mistake, there is an agenda HERE to weaken the party.

The owners of the site are not involved in that agenda, they are true democrats and liberals

[NurseJackie]

6. Cenk is a RW troll...

... and a total asshole. It's difficult for me to understand why anyone takes him seriously. He's just a GOP-supported gadfly.

[Cha]

11. All you have are insults and personal attacks.. you're no

role model.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

12. Pot, meet kettle. nt

[NurseJackie]

13. Ha!! :-D

[Cha]

14. Yeah, you.. lol

[Gothmog]

95. Agreed

I gave up on the TYT a long time ago. If I want to see their videos, I go to JPR where Cenk is treated like a hero

[lillypaddle]

7. Fuck Cenk nt

[ProfessorPlum]

60. because he cares about making the political system less corrupt

[lillypaddle]

82. Because he's a slimebag

That's the last I'll say.

[Dustlawyer]

8. Couldn't disagree more with the comments above me.

The money in politics is the cancer that has killed Democracy, just ask Jimmy Carter. Not hearing any arguments that what Cenk said in this piece is incorrect.

The American people demonstrated in the last election that they are sick of this system, it's one of the reasons Trump won. His followers believed him when he spewed his populist lies.

I am curious, do any of the people who posted above believe in Progressive policies and trying to get the money out of politics, just not in Cenk, or are they against it all?

[bonniebgood]

10. All the negative comments AGAINST Cenk is nothing but shooting the

messenger instead of trying to understand it's the money in politics which is
the problem.

[Cha]

16. Ol cenk should know about "money in politics", bonnie.

A damn republiCON gave him $4 Million BUCKS to fuck with the Democratic Party.

Did ya know about that? hmmmm?

[NurseJackie]

22. Damn, gurl!

[Cha]

24. lol

Damn is right! Jebus! Let some light shine in!

[Nitram]

29. "Shooting the messenger?" Wrong. Shooting down right wing talking points.

Cenk is not "carrying a message." The message happens to be his own opinion, and I disagree with his analysis.

[ProfessorPlum]

52. what part of his analysis do you disagree with?

[Nitram]

122. "Being paid to lose."

[ProfessorPlum]

123. That's self-evident. Why do you think Democrats aren't fighting

gerrymandering, voter suppression, systematic removal of minorities from voter rolls, GOP packing the supreme court, Citizens United, electronic voting machines, electronic ballot scanning machines, toxic GOP propaganda, GOP hypocrisy?

Why do that act like everything is OK? Why don't they make a HUGE deal about any of those issues? (or, if they are fighting against these issues, why are they quiet like mice about it? Why don't we _know_ that out leading Democratic politicians are bare-knuckle fighting for the franchise? )

the Washington Generals.

[ProfessorPlum]

61. well said

$ in politics is the enemy of everyone.

[Hortensis]

109. Ridiculous. Only idiots need that "message." What

they need to understand is that the biggest problem in politics is that some of the people can be fooled all the time--because they insist on it. And those fools can be and are used, not only to enable enormous corruption, but to take over nations and topple governments. Might want to read about what's happened to Poland quite recently. Without determined fools, there would be very little corruption.

On that subject, did you know that Cenk has swung all over the place from far left to far right ideologically, but has been oh-so-concerned about Democratic Party "corruption" from all positions?

Or that Jefferson and Madison were liberals who both sent packing people like him who tried to horn in and explain all they were doing wrong? John Adams was a moderate traditional conservative, and Alexander Hamilton a strong conservative, but they both had also zero tolerance for the extremists trying to set them all straight in those days.

[LT TX]

27. Exactly!

I've read DU since the Bush days, but become increasingly disheartened at the posters that continue to defend the party even when there are obvious problems. Are Democrats better than Republicans & Trump? 1000% yes. But we need to stand by the Democratic principles and work toward making the party even better.

You don't have to like Cenk to understand that he has point.

[Nitram]

30. I've been a Democrat since the Nixon years, and I understand how important party unity is when

faced with a party that has no scruples, no humanity and unlimited greed.

[ProfessorPlum]

64. The Republicans are definitely much worse than the Democrats

don't you wish we could actually fight the GOP and the corrupt system? How are we going to do that with the tools we have at hand.

[sheshe2]

90. "The tools we have at hand"

You mean Cenk?

[Cary]

35. What price are.you willing to pay to guard this turf?

Look at the price we're.paying right now. Would you be willing to sacrifice your precious discord.and discontent for access to health care? Environmental protection? Consumer safety? Tax fairness?

What price is too high?

[wasupaloopa]

37. You have good points but Cenk is not one of them.

He is not some progressive canary in the mine. He is taking advantage of any opportunity he can get to make a buck.

He is as much of an opportunist as anyone he is complaining about.

You need to separate your ideals from the personalities you think represent them.

[Cary]

39. Good point, to separate ideas from personalities

But probably lost on the intended recipient.

[ProfessorPlum]

66. way to smear the messenger with no evidence.

but the forces of corruption thank you

[wasupaloopa]

85. Well if we could replay the primaries you would see

all the evidence you need.

See none of us can adequately reply to posts like yours because as you know there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to satisfy you.

[Cary]

88. What's this "no evidence" schtick?

[ProfessorPlum]

62. Me too

It's rather surprising how many pro-corruption people are here.

[George II]

70. To your last question, does Cenk?

[NastyRiffraff]

79. Criticizing Cenk is NOT the same thing..

..as not believing in Progressive policies, as you seem to imply. I like to follow the adage: Look at what someone DOES, not what he or she says. Cenk accepts money from the RW. He's a hypocrite and a charlatan.

[ProfessorPlum]

92. What right wing money does he take?

Be as specific as you can be in your answer.

[NastyRiffraff]

115. You've had that answer, right here on this thread

Numerous times. But go ahead and "demand" proof. I'm done with you.

[rainy]

15. Cenk is right! Get your heads out

of the corrupt sand. We need to confront and face the truth. Many democrats are bought and paid for. We need progressive change. The sooner the better! The earth and humanity depend on it. Let's try to emulate the Scandinavian countries.

[NurseJackie]

17. Which ones?

[rainy]

119. Here:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2012/01/26/how-swedes-and-norwegians-broke-power-1-percent?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

[NurseJackie]

120. Please try again. That did not answer my question.

======================
Quote: "Many democrats are bought and paid for."
======================
Which ones?

Thank you.

[ProfessorPlum]

67. hear hear

[stonecutter357]

18. We can post this RWNJ's/Cenk stuff on DU?

[Cha]

20. Yeah, complete bullshit.

Good Morning, stonecutter

[stonecutter357]

23. Good Morning Cha.

[ProfessorPlum]

68. Cenk is not right wing

just anti-corruption

[Gothmog]

113. Cenk is siting a RWNJ article from the Intercept

Glenn Greenwald is not reliable and videos citing this crap are also not reliable

[lambchopp59]

19. "so many people here willfully refuse to understand", I disagree

DU itself is a forum discussing such problems. Democrat politicians certainly aren't immune to corporate influences, the for-profit prison part is most bothersome, indeed.
We had our option, we failed to topple the corporate influences that usurped most of our number one choice, ended up divided and conquered. We would still be facing far better economic odds under "Stronger Together" than MAGA ever intended to begin with.
Willfully surrendering to the lesser of the evils, yes. Very few here claim the Democratic party is pure to it's ideals, the discussions are all part of attempts to understand and reconcile these problems. We would be embroiled far deeper in these exact discussions under a Clinton presidency by now.
I'll still accept the corporate corruption of Democrats over the hasten-the-mass extinction and blatant misanthropy of the Uglicans any day of the week.

[Nitram]

31. lamb, could you explain what you mean by "most of our number one choice?"

[lambchopp59]

33. Bernie.

[ProfessorPlum]

69. Republican politicians are definitely more corrupt than Democratic politicians

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. How is the republican money corrupting cenk?

Oh wait, we don't talk about that inconvenient truth.

How about all the white reporter on cenk lying about being assaulted by Maxine Waters?

How about the other white tyt reporter who was suspended from twitter for making racist remarks?

Lol

[George II]

36. That was the guy that jumped in front of her as she was walking...

...and shoved a microphone in 78-year old Waters' face, correct?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. Yup

[Maven]

26. Fuck Cenk and his band of GOP/RU sponsored 'alt left' ratfuckers. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. Racist alt lefters

[Maven]

38. Yup, and misogynist too

They are garbage. Why anyone still thinks they have anything valid to contribute is beyond me.

[NurseJackie]

50. It's a cult-like mentality when it comes to Cenk.

[ProfessorPlum]

71. what a substantive response to the information in the video

[George II]

34. Cenk and The Young Turks are financed in part by conservative republican Buddy Roemer.

[NurseJackie]

40. I think it's strategic funding... to benefit the GOP. (Like when Rove supported Nader.)

[George II]

45. And yet some here are saying that he's "explaining the corruption" - I guess he's doing so...

...first hand?

[joeybee12]

41. Cenk is an idiot

He and his trump loving shitgibbons can go you know what

[seta1950]

46. Cenk

I agree he's full of it.

[ProfessorPlum]

72. great points. you really disputed the facts in the video

[Progressive dog]

42. When our time is spent

complaining about Democrats who lobby for a living, we are not helping the Democratic party.
Anyway, as a Democrat, I am certain that I share very few principles and ideas with the likes of Glen Greenwald and his Intercept or TYT.

[JHan]

47. +++++++++++

[ProfessorPlum]

76. that's interesting. TYT's principles are what I would call core Democratic principles

and principles of good government.

[Progressive dog]

124. I've found that chronic complaining about Democrats

doesn't usually equate with having core Democratic principles.

[NCTraveler]

44. No difference in spreading Breitbart. nt.

[NurseJackie]

48. Great analogy.

[Equinox Moon]

49. Yep.

[Squinch]

51. Cenk also has a bridge he'd like to sell you cheap.

[pirateshipdude]

53. Cenk and his crew was part of the problem. Eom

[ProfessorPlum]

77. another accusation without evidence.

[pirateshipdude]

78. Well, Ok then. Eom

[George II]

127. Didn't he have a show on Russia Today?

[ProfessorPlum]

54. Boy this thread has sure shown me where my ignore list is incomplete

The issue at hand is corrupt lobbyists, and how corruption changes the way Democratic politicians act, and for whom they act.

We know that the GOP is a completely corrupt organization, from stem to stern. But it isn't too much to hope that the Democratic party can recognize the rot in the system, and think about ways of protecting itself against that rot.

If you argue with that, you are objectively pro-corruption.

[FreepFryer]

75. It should have shown you where to look for the evidence you claim doesn't exist

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-young-turks-network-raises-4-million-from-former-republican-presidential-candidate/

[NastyRiffraff]

81. Wait for it:

"Fake News! mediate.com is a corrupt organization. No evidence!"

[George II]

89. This is funny from that mediaite article:

While he was making a statement about the money that Roehmer just gave him:

“The Young Turks and TYT Network have long been a source of independent news and politics for our millions of fans,” Uygur said in a statement. “While we don’t necessarily agree on politics, Buddy and TYT both understand money’s damaging influence on our government."

Yeah, he understands money's damaging influence on our government as he's accepting $4 million from a conservative republican.

[Nitram]

125. Professor, you seem to claim the high ground, asking for discussion of facts and evidence.

But then you launch a perfectly ad hominem attack on all who disagree with your analysis of the topic by suggesting they should be on your "ignore" list. You seem to have a very dull axe to grind. (By the way, I ignore people by ignoring them, not by hiding their posts so I can't even read them. You never know when someone on your ignore list might have something new and very intelligent to say.)

[ProfessorPlum]

126. I tried that strategy for a long time

but in the end it wasn't worth it and nearly cost me my ability to post anything here.

Besides, the people that I have on ignore all deliver the same message, so see one of them, see them all.

[Plucketeer]

84. Global warming

and you wanna start a blaze! LOL How's that line go??? None so blind as those who will not see.

[Gothmog]

93. I stopped watching TYT a long time ago

Cenk is not that smart and these videos have become very weak and sad

[ProfessorPlum]

96. I sense your sadness. And also your inability to argue any of the points made in the video.

[Gothmog]

98. I fully understood the concepts and rejected these ignorant claims

I have a far superior understanding of the concepts being discussed compared to JPR posters and rejected these silly and poorly reasoned talking points. TYT is great for JPR but intelligent people are not impressed by TYT or Cenk The idiots on JPR may find this video informative but that this is not the case here.

[Chevy]

101. Screw Cenk and his GOP sponsored Justice Democrats

and his racist,sexist cabal of hired writers.

[ProfessorPlum]

108. So, I've read both of the articles about TYT that have been posted here

supposedly providing "evidence" that they are compromised (and isn't it funny the people who are - now - pushing for purity).

Neither one of them has anything damning in it at all. One of them has the word "Breitbart" in it, because the author put it there, for no reason that I can see. The other talks about a Republican, who is also an opponent of corrupt money in campaign financing, investing in the company. That's it. As should be obvious, Republicans can be against corruption, too, even though most of them aren't.

Everything else in both articles is neither surprising nor damning, and are things that Cenk himself talks about.

What really seems to get under people's skin is that he is trying to fight corruption. Why do people think that makes him their enemy?

Hmmmmmmm.........

[George II]

110. Most would think that anyone who accepts money from a conservative republican is....

...compromised.

So while he's railing about "money in politics", directed mostly toward Democrats, he's accepting millions of dollars.

[Equinox Moon]

112. Thank you ProfessorPlum

truth is truth. Cenk was telling the truth.

[Gothmog]

114. The piece of shit TVY video posted cites an article from the Intercept

Does anyone think that Greenwald or the Intercept are acceptable sources for DU? I know that the idiots on JPR love Greenwald and the intercept but I do not trust these sources

[heaven05]

116. I LOOK AT

THIS CORRUPT, RICH WHITE MAN with 11 bankruptcies under his belt and I had one(discharged)and wonder how he can remain rich and now potus, and I can't even get a loan to get out of the hole the bankruptcy left me in. That's white privilege personified. A fucking con man is potus and I can't, because of my continuing low credit score, get a fucking 5thousand dollar loan....but the bankers can only see my color and nothing else I'm sure. This POS sickens me.

[ProfessorPlum]

121. I'm sorry you are going through that.

It sucks and it isn't fair.

And, like you, I can't believe this corrupt idiot is the most powerful person in the world.