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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Brexit III (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 OP
My hubby LittleGirl Feb 2019 #1
I was aware that the dispute centered on the border with Northern Ireland Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #2
It's not just the border LittleGirl Feb 2019 #4
From what John Oliver said, apparently the voters didn't really grasp the impact of the issue Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #5
We feel the same LittleGirl Feb 2019 #7
It sounds like Facebook has a lot to answer for - and not just regarding the U.S. election Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #9
Russian bots loved it. safeinOhio Feb 2019 #15
Of course, they did. LittleGirl Feb 2019 #19
He returned on fire! That was a powerful show. suffragette Feb 2019 #3
And he explained the situation with a clarity that we all can understand Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #6
Yes, he did explain it well. I think The Guardian regularly recaps his shows so the UK has that at suffragette Feb 2019 #8
And The Guardian does a great job Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #10
I think I first started reading it because I saw links posted here. Now I read it regularly. suffragette Feb 2019 #12
When I read news from The Guardian, I figure I'm getting the straight story... Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #14
As usual, John Oliver BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #11
He really does - and he isn't sidetracked by the "distractions" we get from the MSM Rhiannon12866 Feb 2019 #13
The world is connected - for better or worse - BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #18
I'm upset with Cameron as well LittleGirl Feb 2019 #20
Thank god John is back! smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #16
You said it. underpants Feb 2019 #17
I completely agree! smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #21
Excellent! cp Feb 2019 #22

Rhiannon12866

(205,260 posts)
2. I was aware that the dispute centered on the border with Northern Ireland
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:39 AM
Feb 2019

But John's explanation made the problem much clearer. I agree that this could cause a resumption of the "Troubles," and that would be the worst possible outcome. That is an option to be avoided at all costs.

LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
4. It's not just the border
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:56 AM
Feb 2019

their economy contracting could affect the world economy, not just their own.

Hubby felt betrayed after the vote. He couldn't vote. He has been living outside of the UK for over a decade so he couldn't vote. They have changed the law since then but he is worried sick about how this whole mess is going down. I don't know enough to ease his pain.

Howdy.

Rhiannon12866

(205,260 posts)
5. From what John Oliver said, apparently the voters didn't really grasp the impact of the issue
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:13 AM
Feb 2019

It didn't make sense to me, either, that they would vote to leave the European community. I'm sorry that your husband is feeling so bad over this, it sounds like he has a better understanding of the impact of the outcome than those who actually voted. I also hope that they can come up with a solution - this really does impact the global community.

LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
7. We feel the same
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:25 AM
Feb 2019

It didn't make sense and then when the plans came in, it was all a mess too. Nobody knew what they were voting for and the Russians used social media to feed the lies to the people. Facebook is in big trouble too for not taking those sites down.

If we lived in an EU country, it would be a huge problem right now. Living in Switzerland means that they are working on their own UK/CH plan so that those of us here with UK passports (hubby) and I (american) can stay without any changes. But it does matter that UK leaves the EU because of the free trade amongst the countries.

Don't stay up too late!

Rhiannon12866

(205,260 posts)
9. It sounds like Facebook has a lot to answer for - and not just regarding the U.S. election
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:34 AM
Feb 2019

We knew that it was Putin's aim to destabilize European governments - and then he moved on to the U.S. - and he used the web to do it without firing a shot. Thanks for sharing about this, we really are a global community now and everyone is affected.

And my dog and cat are both snoring - I need to join them soon...

LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
19. Of course, they did.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:19 AM
Feb 2019

Russia would love to have the EU break apart. Then he can come in and take over.

Rhiannon12866

(205,260 posts)
6. And he explained the situation with a clarity that we all can understand
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:16 AM
Feb 2019

Even if they can't show actual footage from Parliament, he needs to be on British TV!

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
8. Yes, he did explain it well. I think The Guardian regularly recaps his shows so the UK has that at
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:32 AM
Feb 2019

least.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
11. As usual, John Oliver
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:36 AM
Feb 2019

does a much better version of the news than the MSM do!

One other little-known, but very meaningful for those affected, result of Brexit will relate to the border between Gibraltar and Spain. Although not nearly as consequential as the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, Spain will likely once again assert its sovereignty over Gibraltar. Membership in the EU mooted that longstanding quarrel.

Both the UK and Spain signed some bilateral agreements w/r/t this issue in Nov 2018. But the MoUs describing the agreements apply only to the transition period. Under a hard Brexit, they would likely evaporate.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/11/30/inenglish/1543581262_378313.html

Rhiannon12866

(205,260 posts)
13. He really does - and he isn't sidetracked by the "distractions" we get from the MSM
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:43 AM
Feb 2019

Thanks for sharing yet another important issue affected by the Brexit decision - we really need to realize that we're a global community now - and that when a conflict impacts one of us, it likely affects us all.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
18. The world is connected - for better or worse -
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:46 AM
Feb 2019

geo-politically and commercially now as it has never been before. People like the Brexiteers and MAGAts are in total denial of this.

Never has John Donne's "No man is an island ..." been so true.

As for the UK-Gibraltar issue, here's a recent incident to show that this is very real. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/17/spanish-warship-orders-gibraltar-boats-to-leave-british-waters?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR2Azick57mWnmFHnySqnPxfaa5W2RY9rwWOi3unpSOA9sAVmPFuUo_Lis0

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MANY years ago (1960s), I lived in Tangier, Morocco, just across from Spain and GIbraltar. At that time, Gibraltar was clearly an enclave. From Tangier, we could take ferries either to Gibraltar or to Spain. But once we made the journey, we literally could not enter Spain from Gibraltar, nor leave Spain for Gibraltar by land without a great deal of time, hassle and special papers. Practically speaking, it was impossible.

I lived in Morocco again in the 1980s and the problem no longer existed because the UK had become a full-fledged EU member.

How soon those who do not know their history forget! I hope that there is a special place in Hell for David Cameron, who allowed the Brexit referendum and then dumped the whole mess into May's lap. May herself should have stuck to her guns and called the Brexit what it is: a disaster! She was originally a "Remainer" and knew better.

Putin must be out of his mind with glee at watching the circuses in the UK and US right now.

LittleGirl

(8,285 posts)
20. I'm upset with Cameron as well
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:22 AM
Feb 2019

He just freaking bailed. Coward.

And May was set up to fail indeed.

Putin, I'm sure is happy too.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
16. Thank god John is back!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 07:23 AM
Feb 2019

Thank you so much for posting Rhiannon! You are the best!

I have missed him so much. I feel like I always get so much clarity from him on current events and his humor is a bonus. I wish he was on every night!

underpants

(182,788 posts)
17. You said it.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 08:20 AM
Feb 2019

I can't wait to watch this on Tv. He must have been chomping at the bit during all the madness going on since he took a break.

It's funny but also some of the best in depth reporting on TV.

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