The real news: Green Party Presidential Candidate Presents a "New Green Deal"

[Lars77]

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of the good doctor, but the rules on this site are

that we don't promote other candidates outside of the Democratic Party.

[Lars77]

2. I get that, but i figured an interview wouldn't hurt. I would not post an ad for example.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. It's unfortunate that we don't have an exception for discussing policy differences, but

that's how it is.

[NoMoreWarNow]

7. wow-- how are you not banned!

GreenPartyVoter kind of goes against the rules here, I thought.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. I am not banned because I follow the rules. I chose the name and was quite forthcoming about

why when first arrived because I wanted to be honest. I am a Green, yes, but I actually mostly vote for Democrats and was looking for ways for Greens and Democrats to work together. (Such as on election reform, environmental and social justice issues, and so forth.) The ** pResidency threw a lot of us together that way!

[stlsaxman]

3. i watched 2:20... and i will be alerting. "Both parties are the same" tripe.

and big-time Obama bashing, to boot.

Fuck her. (and if i get alerted for saying "fuck her" then so be it.)

[mike_c]

4. thank you for posting this....

It's nice to hear REAL progressive voices occasionally!

[Robb]

5. 02:43: "We're better off because Barack Obama is dead and GM is alive."

[NoMoreWarNow]

8. I think it's fair to get criticism from the Left though

I doubt the Green party will make much difference in this election

[gael]

9. What Left?

Anyone who is not older than dirt, doesnt remember a real left, when 35% of labor was unionized, Tarrifs were imposed to keep American women and men working at secure jobs with health insurance, and a President who lied us into war would have been denounced, and his party tarnished with shame. Our present 2 party system has failed to address problems, and to study solutions. The trans Pacific Partnership, will squash what remaining hope you have.

I dont know what rules you have, but as a multi daily reader of this site, if we're not talking about Jill Stein, we had better start.

[RBInMaine]

10. Oh FRIG the Greens. Bunch of flakes who propped up Nader and have taken $ from Pukes. Some have

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gone TeaBag with all the anti-government shit. FLAKEY !

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. You can't name a single non-flaky Green? ;^)

[pinto]

13. General Motors salaries -

General Motors Salaries

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/General-Motors-Salaries-E279.htm

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Locking, sorry, but this is advocating third party and against the president/Dem nominee.

I know that you posted this for informational purposes, but this is election season.

[lillypaddle]

16. See #15 below

Not locked.

[Rowdyboy]

18. I'm very sorry you were overruled. It was a good lock and it should have stood.

[lillypaddle]

15. I thought this was locked?

Why can I post?

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. I understand Skinner took the lock off, which is quite baffling.

[lillypaddle]

19. thanks

I confuse easily enough as it is.

[Douglas Carpenter]

20. good, I must grant Skinner credit for allowing this discussion

Let's be honest - on policy issues at least 50% of active Democrats agree more with the Green Party than with the official Democratic Party. But we operate under the realities of how elections pan out. In many cases voting Green or for another third party candidate has a far greater chance of contributing to a Republican victory than actually electing a progressive alternative to the frequently less than progressive Democrats. There are some rare cases where a Green or another progressive third party candidate might actually win or at least a vote for them will not contribute to a Republican victory. But those are exceptional cases.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. If "50% of active Democrats agree" with them, then WTF are these assholes between.....

presidential elections? How many seats of government do they control? I mean, is there even a Green dogcatcher, or do they want to skip all that and move directly into the Oval Office?

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. since you asked, here is the list - There are 136 Green officeholders as of Monday, Sept. 10, 2012

BTW: I am not a Green Party supporter. I have never voted for the Green Party or contributed to any of their campaigns precisely because of the reasons I clearly stated above. Though they hold positions far more consistent with the values of at least 50% of Democrats than the official Democratic Party and if they were a viable party that could win without electing crazy right-wing Republicans instead. I probably would support them. But that is not the reality that we face today.

Green Officeholders

.There are 136 Green officeholders as of Monday, September 10, 2012

ALASKA

Mike Musick
Borough Assembly
FSNB Seat G, County



CALIFORNIA

Robert Baird
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles Lincoln Heights, Sub-Area 6 Representative Resident Seat, Los Angeles County

Harold Bock
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles South Roberston, Resident Zone 3 Representative, Los Angeles County

Larry Bragman
City Council
Fairfax At-Large, Marin County

William Bretz
Crest/Dehesa/Harrison Canyon/Granite Hill Plannning Group
, San Diego County

Roo Cantada
Park and Recreation District
Oak Tree Community, Nevada County

Mathew Clark
Sanitary District
Granada, San Mateo County

Dave Clark
Board of Directors
Cardiff School, San Diego County

Nanette Corley
Director
Resort Improvement District #1, Humboldt County

Bruce Delgado
Mayor
Marina City , Monterey County

Robert Deutsch, M.D.
Healthcare District
City of Alameda, Alameda County

Jennifer Gill
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles MacArthur Park, District 2 Residential Representative, Los Angeles County

Herb Gura
School Board
Konocti Unified, Lake County

Dan Hamburg
Board of Supervisors
District 5, Mendocino County

Pam Hartwell-Herrero
Town Council
Fairfax , Marin County

Jim Harvey
Montara Water and Sanitary District
Montara, San Mateo County

William Hayes
Park and Recreation District
Mendocino Coast, Mendocino County

Patricia Hiles
School Board
Hope School District, Santa Barbara County

John Laue
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles Sunland-Tujunga, Region 1 Representatives, Los Angeles County

Jack Lindblad
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles Arleta At-Large, Los Angeles County

Crispin Littlehales
Board Member
Covelo Community Services District, Mendocino County

Kathryn Marando
Community Services District
Tomales, Marin County

Gayle McLaughlin
Mayor
Richmond, Contra Costa County

Ryan O'Neil
City Council
Fairfax At-Large, Marin County

Adam Pergament
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles P.I.C.O, Wilshire Vista Neighborhood Association Representative, Los Angeles County

Paul Perkovic
Water and Sanitary District
Montara, San Mateo County

Vahe Peroomian
Board of Trustees
Glendale Glendale Community College District , Los Angeles County

John Reed
City Council
Fairfax At-Large, Marin County

Curtis Robinson
Board of Education Trustee
Area 6, Marin County

Jeffrey Schwartz
School Board
Arcata , Humboldt County

Jan Shriner
Water District
, Monterey County

Dana Silvernale
School Board
Northern Humboldt Union High School District, Humboldt County

Richard Sloan
School Trustee
Lagunitas School District, Marin County

Jim Smith
President, Canyon School Board
Canyon Township, Contra Costa County

Kaitlin Sopoci-Belknap
Humboldt Bay Municipal Water District
Division 1, Humboldt County

Lisa Stephens
Rent Stabilization Board
Berkeley, Alameda County

John Stinson
Neighborhood Council
Los Angeles Coastal San Pedro, Los Angels County

Jesse Townley
Rent Stabilization Board
Berkeley, Alameda County

Lew Tremaine
City Council
Fairfax At-Large, Marin County

Pam Webster
Rent Stabilization Board
Berkeley, Alameda County



COLORADO

Jeffrey Bergeron
Town Council
Breckenridge, Summit County

Thom Carnevale
Town Council
Telluride , San Miguel County

Art Goodtimes
Board of Commissioners
, San Miguel County

Charlie Green
School Board
District e, Fremont RE-3, Fremont County

Tanya Ishikawa
City Council
Federal Heights Ward 1, Adams County



CONNECTICUT

Daphne Dixon
Zoning Board of Appeals Alternate
Fairfield , Fairfield County

Hector Lopez
Constable
New Canaan , Fairfield County

Estela Lopez
Constable
New Canaan , Fairfield County

John Russell
City Council
New London , New London County

Leif Smith
Constable
Redding , Fairfield County

Cole Stangler
Constable
New Canaan , Fairfield County

Ronna Stuller
Board of Education
New London At-Large, New London County



DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

JB Shoatz
Advisory Neighborhood Commission
Washington SMD 8B04



FLORIDA

Anita Stewart
Soil & Water Conservation District
District 5, Hillsborough County



ILLINOIS

Steve Alesch
Park and Recreation District
Warrenville, DuPage County

Robert Braam
Library Board Trustee
Manhattan Public Library, Will County

Kris Campbell
Village Trustee
Poplar Grove, Boone County

Don Crawford
Library Board
St. Elmo , Fayette County

Val Densmore
School Board Trustee
Country Club Hills, SD #160, Cook County

Michael Drennan
Park Board
Ridgeville, Cook County

Jon Murray
Village Trustee
Mount Morris, Ogle County

Bruce Samuels
Library Board
Oak Park Village, Cook County

Peter Schwartzman
City Council
Galesburg Ward 5, Knox County

Toni Williams
School Board
Thornton Township HS District 205, Cook County



IOWA

Raymond Meyer
Board of Trustees
Lucas County Health Center, Lucas County

Raymond Meyer
City Council
Chariton At-Large, Lucas County



MAINE

John Anton
City Council
At-Large, Portland, Cumberland County

Antonio Blasi
Planning Board
Town of Hancock , Hancock County

Ben Chipman
Charter Commission
Portland District 1, Cumberland County

Kevin Donoghue
City Council
Portland District 1, Cumberland County

John Eder
Charter Commission Member
District 1, Cumberland County

David Margolis-Pineo
Water District
Portland, Cumberland County

David Marshall
City Council
Portland District 2, Cumberland County

Jane Meisenbach
School Board
MSAD 75, Cumberland County

Anna Trevorrow
Charter Commission
Portland At-Large, Cumberland County



MARYLAND

Michael Cornell
Town Council
Columbia Association, Village of River Hill , Howard County

Christine Nagle
City Council
College Park District 1, Prince George's County

Dan Robinson
Town Council
Takoma Park Ward 3, Montgomery County

James Wilkinson
Town Council
Berwyn Heights, Prince George's County



MASSACHUSETTS

Robert Crowner
Town Meeting Member
Amherst Precinct 9, Hampshire County

Miriam Dayton
Town Meeting Member
Amherst Precinct 6, 3 yr, Hampshire County

Tom Flittie
Town Meeting Member
Amherst Precinct 3, 3yr, Hampshire County

Nat Fortune
School Committee
Whately Elementary, Whately County

Frank Gatti
Town Meeting Member
Amherst Precinct 8, Hampshire County

Rudy Heller
Selectman
Brookfield , Worcester County

Vincent O'Connor
Town Meeting Member
Amherst Precinct 1, Hampshire County

Joyce Palmer-Fortune
Selectboard
Whately , Franklin County

Adam Sacks
Town Meeting Member
Lexington Precinct 2, Middlesex County

David Spanagel
Town Moderator
Lancaster, Worcester County

Jill Stein
Town Meeting Member
Lexington Precinct 2, Middlesex County



MICHIGAN

Korine Bachleda
Township Clerk
Newberg Township, Cass County



MINNESOTA

Cam Gordon
City Council
Minneapolis Ward 2, Hennepin County

Leroy Schaffer
City Council
St. Francis , Anoka County

Annie Young
Parks & Recreation Board
Minneapolis At-Large, Hennepin County



NEBRASKA

Steve Larrick
Natural Resources District
Lower Platte 5, Lancaster County



NEW JERSEY

Gary Novosielski
School Board
Rutherford, Bergen County



NEW YORK

David Doonan
Mayor
Village of Greenwich, Washington County

Jennifer Dotson
Common Council
Ithaca Ward One, Tompkins County

Brian Kehoe
Trustee
Village of Catskill , Greene County

Mary Jo Long
Town Council
Afton , Chenango County

Edgar Rodriguez
Board of Education
New Paltz Central School District, Ulster County

Jim Sullivan
Mayor
Village of Victory , Saratoga County

Jason West
Mayor
New Paltz , Ulster County



OHIO

Brian Cummins
City Council
Cleveland Ward 14, Cuyahoga County

Dennis Spisak
Board of Education
Struthers At-Large, Mahoning County



OKLAHOMA

Edward Shadid
City Council
Oklahoma City , Oklahoma County



OREGON

Michael Beilstein
City Council
Corvallis Ward 5, Benton County

Mark Camara
City Council
Toledo At-Large, Lincoln County

Matt Donohue
School Board
Corvallis Position 4, Benton County

Richard Hervey
City Council
Corvallis Ward 3, Benton County

John Jones
Board Member
Myrtle Point Health District, Coos County

James Nicita
City Commissioner
Oregon City Position 3, Clackamas County



PENNSYLVANIA

Frank Divonzo
Auditor
Paxtang Borough, Dauphin County

Charles Michael Farley
Minority Inspector of Elections
Hanover Borough Ward 4, York County

Randi Peters
Auditor
Maidencreek Township, Berks County

Rob Piemme
Inspector of Elections
Aspinwall , Allegheny County

Bill Smedley
Constable
Nippenose Township, Lycoming County

Jay Sweeney
Auditor
Falls Township, Wyoming County

Stephen Weisser
Inspector of Elections
York City 7, York County



SOUTH CAROLINA

Eugene Platt
Public Service District
James Island , Charleston County



TEXAS

Enrique Valdivia
Water Board
Edwards Aquifer Authority District 7, Bexar County



VIRGINIA

Don Langrehr
Town Council
Blacksburg, Montgomery County

Ira Richards
Soil and Water Conservation Board
Lord Fairfax District, Warren County

Chris Simmons
Soil & Water Conservation District Director
Loudon, Loudon County



WISCONSON

Peter Blewett
School Board
Milwaukee District 6, Milwaukee County

David Conley
Board of Supervisors
District 25, Douglas County

Greg David
Board of Supervisors
District 3, Jefferson County

Ron Hardy
Board of Supervisors
District 17, Winnebago County

John Hendrick
Board of Supervisors
District 6, Dane County

Kathy Kienholz
County Board
District 6, Polk County

Leland Pan
Board of Supervisors
District 5, Dane County

Bob Poeschl
Common Council
Oshkosh Oshkosh At-Large, Winnebago County

Marsha Rummel
Common Council
Madison Madison District 6, Dane County

Barbara Vedder
Board of Supervisors
District 2, Dane County

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Well whoopety damn doo! They are killin' in the counties. You Go Greens!

(G)etting
(R)ethuglicans
(E)lected
(E)very
(N)ovember

YAY!!! I'm so glad you shared that with me. No, really I am.

[susanr516]

24. I don't always agree with you

but you are 100% correct in this assessment. The only time I ever hear anything from the Green Party is right before a presidential election, and it's all Democratic Party bashing, all the time. Where's the Green Party advocacy during a presidential term? Off-years are the times when more progressive/liberal folks (like me) should be calling for change. Do I wish Obama was more liberal? Yes. However, I'm voting for him with no reservations whatsoever, because I believe he's light-years better than the Teapublicans. The only thing the Green Party can accomplish is getting Rmoney/RAyn elected.

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. And therein lies the problem, even folks who are on the left despise them, and know what their....

ultimate goal is. There aren't enough of them to actually elect anyone nationally, and there aren't enough of us dumb enough to throw our lot in with a bunch of losers. It's not hard to understand their frustration, people just aren't that into 'em.

As far as I can tell, their primary goal seems to be an overwhelming desire to blow up the Democratic Party, and that's about it. Sadly for them, that's not a platform from whence to launch a national campaign.

[Heather MC]

28. I plan on voting Green Party in the local elections this year

My County is very very blue. but the Dems have been putting more and more education funds in to building new soccer fields and diverting funds for beefing up the education and helping the teachers. Meanwhile every month a new Highrise pops up in my neighborhood which brings in a ton of new students.

The school my children attend 6 years ago was at 75% capacity now it's over 100%. They have turned closets into classrooms, to accomodate the growing size, a windowless class room is a depressing place no matter how many posters you hang.

The Green Party Candidate wants to reallocate funds to the school hire more teachers and get projects started to build bigger schools. That's what we need not a another astro turf soccer field.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. I appreciate your predicament, and in this case, supporting the Green sounds plausible. However,

there is no national groundswell of support for the Green Party. They may do well in really BLUE areas of the country, but their appeal should be to Independents and Democrats. And I gotta say that as a Democrat, if I ever thought I might be willing to take a chance on a Green, the 2000 election settled that internal dispute for me, once and for all. For me, personally, the face of the Green Party will always be that of Ralph Nader, and I can't get past my contempt for him. Unfortunately, that feeling extends to folks seeking office under that label.

Good luck with your school district. It sounds like a really horrible situation, and deplorable learning environment.

[thelordofhell]

26. Last I heard this was Democratic Underground

I stopped viewing this about 4 minutes in. If this woman was a republican saying this, then the post would be banned!!

[Lars77]

30. There's videos of republicans criticising the president all the time. Never seen one banned?

[Douglas Carpenter]

27. it may very well be that the Republicans would use Jill Stein and the Green Party for their own

sinister purposes. I am not going to vote for Jill Stein. I am going to support and vote for Barack Obama. Because the simple reality of how our system is configured and how elections actually pan out in the real world - a vote for Jill Stein and the Green Party is far more apt to throw an election to the crazy and sinister extremist who now run the Republican Party. But all of that aside..when it come to her critique, when it comes to her positions, when it comes the reality of who both parties ultimately serve.. in my heart I know she is right.

[Heather MC]

29. I think the Green Party has good Ideas that would work well locally but not nationally

I wouldn't waste my vote on someone I know that has no chance of winning.

[tama]

31. The catch 22

and that's how the actual policies keep sliding in the wrong direction regardless which of the two corporate parties are in power.

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. I agree - but I don't see a way around it - for now anyway

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The political realities simply do not exist at this time to create a viable national third party that does not have as a dangerous side affect - throwing elections to the craziest and most reactionary political party in modern American history. The consequences of that are just too grave to risk it. But I agree that in the best of all possible worlds - we should have that alternative. But the political realities dictate that we just don't.

[tama]

34. Political realities

dictate that real politics - common matters - take place at the grass roots. Partisan politics at the top of the power pyramid do not need much attention IMHO, as such attention mostly makes us divided and brings out the nasty side of tribalism. I don't consider voting important, as the puppets will have their strings pulled by the banksters any case.

[Douglas Carpenter]

35. As Chomsky once pointed out - that even though in the big picture - the differences are far more

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rhetorical than reality - that when you are dealing with that much power even relatively small differences around the margins - you end up with differences that do in fact affect a lot of peoples' lives. Although the fundamentals of foreign policy would not change that much at least on the fundamental issues - the rise of the neoconservatives and their return to power in a potential Romney/Ryan administration could even mean a dramatic increase in direct military intervention. Who wins would not normally change the fundamentals of American foreign policy or the fundamentals of how the economy operates - it will nonetheless make the difference on matters that affect millions of peoples live. If the Republicans win at the very least there will no doubt be at least several hundreds of thousands of fewer children who will have breakfast in the morning before school. There will be at least several hundreds of thousands of fewer elderly people who will receive their meals on wheels. There will be at least several hundreds of thousands of students who will not be able to complete their education. There will be at least several hundreds of thousands of senior citizens who will not receive help with their heating bills during the winter or their prescriptions through Medicaid or children who will not have their medical and dental check ups. If the Republicans win the Department of Labor will see its only mission as a police agency to shut down labor organizers. The Environmental Protection agency will see its only mission as an instrument to fight environmental regulations. So even if a vote for the Democrats over the Republicans in simply a vote for one faction of the ruling classes over another faction - - for the sake of the differences that do cash out in the live of real people - I feel morally obligated to cast the vote on behalf of all of those whose lives will be significantly better if the Democrats win and significantly worse if the Republicans win.

[tama]

37. I do understand the point :)

And I'm not against that, or against voting third party or not voting at all. Not for me to judge.

What I feel is important is what ever you do with your vote, is not to get fooled into making politics a tribalist support for a football team party and/or expecting the party political class to deliver the changes that are essential for our evolutionary adaptation. It's a question of our identities and where we invest our emotional power. Inclusive grass roots movements of connecting people peer to peer and with the whole environment is what I feel is most important. Voting for lesser evil is no problem as long as you don't sell your soul in the process.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

36. I wish to hell Dems --

would form a political coalition with the Greens.

[Denver Dave]

38. Use the 2012 presidential debates exclusion for publicity on progressive Democratic issues

There is more to the democratic process than excluding the views of people that may not be the main Democratic candidate. Somehow the private Commission on Presidential Debates has co-opted our election process and restricts the debates issues important to progressive Democrats.

I think there is a real opportunity here for progressive Democrats to use the exclusion from the debates for publicity of issues that are being ignored:

10 Huge Issues Being Ignored in the Presidential Campaigns:
http://www.nationofchange.org/ten-huge-issues-being-ignored-presidential-campaign-1348067863

Petition - please tell your friends and post to facebook and other websites:
http://www.change.org/petitions/open-up-the-2012-presidential-debates

All presidential candidates who have qualified for placement on enough state ballots to win the Electoral College and the Presidency of the U.S. must be included in the presidential debates.

Especially, those candidates, on the ballot in over half the states, that have qualified for and accepted our Federal Presidential Campaign Matching Funds! (hint, those are the two being excluded)

[Denver Dave]

39. Added the DemocracyNOW! Expanded Vice Presidential Debate

I've added the video for the expanded vice presidential debate with Joe Biden, Paul Ryan, Cheri Honkala and Luis Rodriguez held on October 11, 2012.to www.OpenUpTheDebates.org

You will find the expanded debate to be quite a bit different than the private, limited debate. http://OpenUpTheDebates.org

Also present are commentaries from other candidates and information videos about the private Commission on Presidential Debates.