Dr. Oz: Even if 2-3% of people die, opening schools OK

[egbertowillies]

Dr. Oz appeared on Sean Hannity where he made a statement that should worry most. He does not believe that a 2-3% death rate is a reason to keep schools closed. Check out the little care he displays for humanity as he trivializes life.

[niyad]

1. Somebody needs to remind this charlatan of the Hippocratic Oath he supposedly swore.

What medical school actually gave him a degree? I did not know that correspondence schools gave medical degrees.

[tulipsandroses]

2. What a quack! I used to like him when his show just started. He actually

used to offer meaningful advice. Then his show devolved into a hour long infomercial for the latest fad in diet/health care and pushing bad science. I stopped watching. Now he's on Fox pushing Trump's favorite drug and saying dumb shit like this.
Oprah really messed up by making him a " star"

[agingdem]

3. so children dying is ok

as long as the death rate isn't over 2%?...he's a soulless vile malignant animal..no wonder he's trump's kinda guy....

[bobalew]

4. EFFEN' QUACK!

[LovingA2andMI]

5. Remember who gave this FOOL his original platform.....

Oprah, herself.

[patphil]

6. He represents a segment of our nation that is callous, greedy, and self-serving.

2-3% is equivalent to 6.6 million to 9.9 million dead.

Add to that another group of millions of people who would be permanently impaired.
As a doctor, he took an oath to do no harm. It apparently doesn't mean much to him.

Death comes easy in the land of Oz.

[flor-de-jasmim]

12. And this would be Holocaust level death.

[Igel]

14. It would be if it were what he said.

The problem is he referred quite explicitly to what he was talking about.

And nobody can be bothered to actually stop reacting to wonder if they actually understood what he said--or what the thing he referred to said.

It's simple.

Closing schools was billed as having a huge positive effect. It has a small effect. Based on how other diseases went. Looking at the data from this virus, not such a big effect. Mitigating the positives are student behavior--you're not socializing as much at school, you socialize a bit more at home. There's still a positive, but it's less than claimed.

Closing schools was needed, so nobody was allowed to ask what the negative effects are. More abused kids? Less adequate nutrition? What about the kids who depend on schools for important things--we're talking de Blasio's reasons here, mind you. (Go on, call him a fascist RWer. He's made mistakes, but he's still clearly (D).) But further out, it's likely to increase the drop out rate or make it harder for many at-risk kids to succeed, maybe not go to college, maybe not get trained in their vocational courses. Health outcomes in 20 or 30 years depends on education, there's a strong correlation. So, part of (not the entire) argument goes, by hurting their education we hurt their health in 30 years. There's still a body-count trade-off.

The call is to be aware that it's not all positives in school closures. There are also negatives, and most people have adopted a simplistic "it's all good or it's all bad" sort of moralistic approach to even things that are completely pragmatics based.

[LakeArenal]

7. Do you think his grandchildren are school age?

As with Ron Johnson... You first. Show us first.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. WRONG. He did not say that. Think clearly. Not 2-3% of population! 2-3% increase in COVID deaths

It is bad enough, but it is NOT a "2-3%" death rate.

It means going from say 50,000 Covid deaths to 51,000 or 51,500.

You don't have make FAKE headlines to pimp your show here.

That is not true journalism.

I had my doubts about you, but now I'm certain. You are NOT a real journalist.

Real journalists would not make your mistake. If we can generously say it was only a mistake.

[egbertowillies]

9. There is nothing fake about the headline. The mortality rate of COVID-19 is between 2 to 4%

It is that number he was quoting and not of the delta even if he tries to correct thereafter. The statement is evil and everything I said is accurate. With all due respect, the reality is I am unconcerned about your doubts sir. My reputation is sound. This statement "You don't have make FAKE headlines to pimp your show here." says more about you than my work sir. No reason to respond as I have no interest in your reply.

PS: I pay my dues here at DU. Do you help this great Progressive site by contributing to it? You see, too often those who shout the loudest just shout the loudest and contribute little to the movement.

[Jillgirl]

10. He was vague

"might cost us 2 to 3 percent in terms of mortality."

To me that sounds like the words of someone who doesn't really want you to know what he's talking about. 2 to 3 percent of the population? An increase in 2 to 3 percent over what's there already? Oz has not said.

My guess is that he was referring to the death rate of 2 to 3%. That means 2-3% of those additionally infected because of the early reopening of schools would die. How many people is that? He gives no clue.

Whatever he meant, he did not back it up in any way. "2 to 3%" was just his jumping off point to say it's OK to reopen schools now because not that many people will die because of it. I'm guessing he considers himself pro-life.

The one point Oz makes, way in the beginning, that would in some tiny way justify the reopening of schools is that some kids depend on school for their food. But it would make more sense to find another way to get food to those kids, rather than forcing them to risk their lives for it.

Love your videos, Egberto. Please keep posting.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Yes, vague. Stupidly vague. But there is no need to twist what he said as so many are on DU

There is more than enough to attack in what he said, even giving him the benefit of the doubt of his vagueness.

His suggestion is abhorrent.

[NurseJackie]

11. I'll never forgive Oprah for releasing him into the world.

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And that other quack, "Doctor Phil," is almost as bad.

EDIT TO ADD: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213301046