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appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
Fri May 8, 2020, 05:13 PM May 2020

A Night At The Garden: 'It Can Happen Here', American Nazi Rally, NYC, Feb. 20, 1939

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A large rally was held by the Nazi-supporting German American Bund at Madison Square Garden for 20,000 American Nazis, Feb. 20, 1939. (Preview, 2017).

*WATCH* the Full Video, 'A Night At the Garden,' 7 mins., https://anightatthegarden.com/

- 'American Nazis In The 1930s, The German American Bund,' The Atlantic, 2017,
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-the-1930sthe-german-american-bund/529185/

- Wiki, German American Bund, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund





- Flag of the German American Bund.
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A Night At The Garden: 'It Can Happen Here', American Nazi Rally, NYC, Feb. 20, 1939 (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2020 OP
it is already here nykym May 2020 #1
everyone should watch this SCantiGOP May 2020 #2
German was the 2nd most widely spoken language appalachiablue May 2020 #4
Liberty Cabbage?? SCantiGOP May 2020 #11
Hamburgers became 'liberty sandwiches' cuz of appalachiablue May 2020 #12
No difference between this and a Trump rally Sarg May 2020 #3
Not a lot remains online about the Bund and pre-WWII bucolic_frolic May 2020 #5
Long Island, NJ, WI, and more, an awful presence appalachiablue May 2020 #8
There's a bit more online than 10-15 years ago bucolic_frolic May 2020 #9
Yes I searched in the last 5 years, saw info on Hitler's appalachiablue May 2020 #10
Fascism is always rising. Saviolo May 2020 #6
It is always present, thanks for including these others. appalachiablue May 2020 #7
The podcast Behind The Bastards did a two-parter on American fascism: Saviolo May 2020 #13

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
2. everyone should watch this
Fri May 8, 2020, 05:31 PM
May 2020

Unknown to most Americans.
Germans were the largest ethnic group in the US in the 1920s.
An article in the Smithsonian said that if a referendum had been held in the 1930, when Hitler was still a little known if eccentric leader on the rise, a majority of Americans, if asked choose whether they would support Germany or an English/Russian coalition, would have probably easily selected Germany. America was very isolationist post-WW1 and all but the intellectuals and the Left were very fearful of Bolshevism.
His invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland dispelled any good feelings about Hitler, and since the Germans were white they easily slipped into the mainstream of anti-Hitler sentiment without any of the mistrust that the different looking Japanese faced after their homeland became an enemy.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
4. German was the 2nd most widely spoken language
Fri May 8, 2020, 05:48 PM
May 2020

after English in the US at the time of WWI. You're correct that few Americans realize how large German communities and culture were in the US. Many sections of NYC, cities like Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and more had large German-American populations.

In 1917 when Britain was at war with Germany, the British royals changed their family names to 'House of Windsor' and 'Mountbatten' from the German Battenberg and Teck.

During WWI there was a lot of anti German sentiment in the US, many German Americans were hassled and some changed their names, dachshund dogs were abused and sauerkraut was referred to as 'liberty cabbage.'

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
11. Liberty Cabbage??
Fri May 8, 2020, 09:41 PM
May 2020

That’s great. So “Freedom Fries” after 9/11 wasn’t the first time we had a war on food.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
12. Hamburgers became 'liberty sandwiches' cuz of
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:19 PM
May 2020

the First World War against 'the evil Huns'!

Germans started heavy migration to the US in the 1840s, settling in NYC in the section called Kleinedeutschland or 'Little Germany' on the east side. Germans also immigrated to the Midwest states, esp. Ohio.

In 1843 Karl Marx considered moving to Texas, and even contacted the mayor of his birthplace city, Trier for immigration paperwork. Wouldn't that been a twist of history!!

READ MORE,
https://ohiomemory.ohiohistory.org/archives/3673

 

Sarg

(39 posts)
3. No difference between this and a Trump rally
Fri May 8, 2020, 05:38 PM
May 2020

It CAN happen here? It IS happening here. Has been for years.

bucolic_frolic

(43,158 posts)
5. Not a lot remains online about the Bund and pre-WWII
Fri May 8, 2020, 06:04 PM
May 2020

I found a handful of articles about Long Island, the communities these folks lived and settled in, the Youth camps that operated in the US. One community was still a segregated development into the early 2000s. Maybe our country is just generous to allow it to sink into the past, like Prohibition bootleggers of the almost same time period, and maybe people were just tired of it and it was best forgotten.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
8. Long Island, NJ, WI, and more, an awful presence
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:10 PM
May 2020

that was largely unknown until more recently.

I searched for Bund material which is slim a few years ago and I always wondered about pre-1960 German-American pro- Nazi activity in the US.

The fascist side of Lindbergh is especially offensive due to his heroic reputation, my mom remembered his famous flights when she was young and told us.

bucolic_frolic

(43,158 posts)
9. There's a bit more online than 10-15 years ago
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:40 PM
May 2020

Some of Hitler's great nephews lived on Long Island

https://www.businessinsider.com/hitlers-descendant-merkel-trump-2018-10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Siegfried

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-it-looks-like-any-american-suburb-but-it-has-a-dark-nazi-past-1.5480868

https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1985-05-12-2472315-story.html

https://nypost.com/2017/05/20/new-york-enclave-finally-ends-nazi-era-policies/

https://gizmodo.com/how-american-nazis-used-summer-camps-to-indoctrinate-th-1743267747

By the time they were shut down at the onset of the Second World War, some 16 of these camps and family retreats had emerged, including Camp Siegfried in Yaphank, New York, Camp Hindenburg in Grafton, Wisconsin, Camp Nordland in Andover, New Jersey, the Deutschhorst Country Club in Sellersville, Pennsylvania, Camp Bergwald in Bloomingdale, New Jersey, and Camp Sutter near Los Angeles.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
10. Yes I searched in the last 5 years, saw info on Hitler's
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:47 PM
May 2020

great nephews on LI, Camp Siegfried, and many of their retreats in NJ, WI, the enclave in So. Ca. and more. When revealed, it's all revolting and shocking. So close.

Appreciate the article links.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
6. Fascism is always rising.
Fri May 8, 2020, 06:12 PM
May 2020

Fascism is a reactionary movement reacting to the rise of socialist and progressive policies. There have always been antifascists fighting against fascism, and there will always be a need for them. We should always be wary and watchful of fascists, they sneak in.

In the mean time, a list of a few people that can fuck off forever:
George Lincoln Rockwell
William Luther Pierce
Charles Lindbergh
Frank Collin
Fritz Julius Kuhn

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
7. It is always present, thanks for including these others.
Fri May 8, 2020, 07:05 PM
May 2020

I thought about it but didn't have room or time.

Lindbergh, who really was a viper and the rest of the scum.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
13. The podcast Behind The Bastards did a two-parter on American fascism:
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:15 PM
May 2020
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-birth-of-american-30110960/

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-the-birth-of-american-30121805/


The host (Robert Evans) also did a three-part episode about George Lincoln Rockwell all by himself, and he did a free web-distributed audiobook about fascism called "The War On Everyone" that you can find here: http://www.thewaroneveryone.com/
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