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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. My cousin believes that 5G does spy on people . . .
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 09:52 AM
Dec 2020

The government here and around the world will always have the technology to spy on people and governments, corporations, etc. here and around the world.

All technology first have to be approved by governments. They get it first.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
5. Depends on the sources of his information. I knew about the spying conspiracy, but it seems
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 10:20 AM
Dec 2020

like corporate hype. Hype is mentally twisty, and can lead to harm. Cops might say "suicide, nothing to see here,"and a tossed out suicide theory is often used as cover for what investigators do after the public loses interest.

Yes, 5G is important in that it will provide faster, more resilient networks when it's finally deployed at scale years from now. But the society-altering impacts of the technology are extremely over-hyped, international efforts to deploy the faster wireless standard aren't really a race, and even if it were, our broadband maps are so terrible (by design) it would be impossible to actually determine who won.

The idea that we're "racing China to 5G," and need to mindlessly pander to U.S. telecom giants to win said race, has also become a mainstay in tech policy circles and tech coverage for two or three years now. We're at the point where 5G (like the blockchain or AI) now exists as a sort of policy pixie dust to be sprinkled around generously by lobbyists and K Street beggars looking to wow luddite lawmakers, even if the underlying arguments often make no coherent sense. When 5G is fused with overheated national security concerns, it becomes even more incoherent.


Enter former Representative Mike Rogers, who last week announced he was heading a new 501(c)4 group dubbed 5G Action Now. 5G Action Now frames itself as an objective third party outfit that is just apparently really excited about 5G, insisting its goal is to "educate members of Congress and the American people" to better understand the "race to 5G":

"5G Action Now was founded to establish the United States as the worldwide leader in 5G. Our goal is to elevate the conversation regarding American national security and the economic benefits of winning the 5G innovation and deployment battle against China. 5G will spur economic growth in rural America, create an environment for technological expansion, and put the U.S. on strong national security footing for generations to come."


Mike's bio around the internet usually reveals how he's also a "security advisor" for AT&T, though oddly his bio over at the 5G Action Now website excludes this fact. The ambiguous venture appears to have numerous telecom backers, including a coalition of European and Canadian satellite companies looking for all the usual fare: weakened regulatory oversight, more subsidies, and a bigger slice of the publicly-owned airwaves to make a profit off of. It's more of a "race to government protection" or a "race to fatter revenues" than any kind of race to meaningful 5G domination or consumer benefit.

Press outlets that buy into this rhetoric usually "forget" to mention that while the US technically "won" the race to 4G (by being first to deploy it) that didn't wind up mattering much. U.S. consumers pay some of the highest prices for wireless service in the developed world, for 4G services that are routinely ranked as some of the slowest in the OECD. Thanks to regulatory capture, corruption, and mindless M&A mania (like the looming Sprint T-Mobile merger), it's a problem that's not going away anytime soon. 5G is not, contrary to what you'll be told by industry and stenographing journalists and evangelists, some mystical panacea.

There's a reason AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are fighting efforts to adequately map 5G, and have routinely over-inflated 5G availability claims overall. The "race" rhetoric is largely an illusion created by companies eager to do the bare minimum in exchange for as many subsidies, regulatory favors and tax breaks they can grab.

This mindless regulatory capture has resulted in a US Telecom sector that routinely ranks in the middle of the pack in every metric that matters. While 5G will be a good thing when deployed at scale, it's foolish to think the new wireless technical standard will address the deeper rot that plagues the sector.

We didn't win the race to 4G, and we're unlikely to win the "race to 5G," either. Why? Because U.S. telecom policy involves effectively pandering to the every whim of mono/duopolists, then standing around with a dumb look on our faces as prices soar, coverage lags, and Kafka-esque customer service headlines become the norm.

Yes, 5G will be fast. It's also going to be hugely expensive and filled with arbitrary nickel and diming restrictions courtesy of the Trump FCC's decision to effectively give up on all consumer protection.

The "race" rhetoric serves one larger purpose: it ensures that nobody pauses to think about policy considerations like prices, open networks, consumer rights, or even coverage to lower income and rural areas.

It results in a country that can't apparently repair its bridges or feed the public, but can easily throw another $1.5 billion at telecom giants that are in absolutely no need of subsidization or more tax breaks.

At some point, you'd think we'd learn to stop throwing billions of unaccountable dollars at companies with a thirty-year track record of failing repeatedly to live up to their end of the bargain.


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200116/08134343743/race-to-5g-is-giant-pile-lobbyist-nonsense.shtml

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
6. IMO, the government has known what everyone is doing for a long time.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 11:19 AM
Dec 2020

What cemented it for me was in 2017 when ICE picked up thousands of illegal immigrants. If they can find them in tiny towns that most people don't even know exist they know what everyone is doing and where they are.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
7. Yep. Snowden proved that. AND corporations have known what everyone's doing, too.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 11:52 AM
Dec 2020

Which is why all the "hoax, freedom, individuality, secret societies, Q and Demoncrats" talk, imo, is corporate hype, because profit don't give a flyin' F about humans, whether it's talking covid or 5G.

paleotn

(17,994 posts)
8. Corporations really don't care what you're doing. They don't care what I'm doing.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 01:16 PM
Dec 2020

They care what large aggregates of people sorta kinda like us are doing so they can attempt and much of the time fail miserably at predicting what we will do next, like buy their product. One data point in a vast ocean of data points is of no interest to anyone outside of law enforcement and national security. Individually, we represent only a tiny amount of disposable income to a multi billion dollar company. Put us together with hundreds of thousands of people sorta kinda like us and then you're talking real money. Corporations don't really care about our politics that much, other than how it impacts our buying decisions. Otherwise, its an irrelevant data point taking up valuable storage space and unnecessarily complicating the issue of whether or not you and I will buy their product.

My fear isn't corporations. They're not much of a threat to individual security directly. Law enforcement and national security, in the hands of the wrong people, are most definitely a threat to individual safety and security. And they very well might care what our politics are.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
9. Can't agree. Corporations invent, sell and maintain our politics, as your last sentence admits.
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 02:10 PM
Dec 2020

It's either

Corporations don't really care about our politics that much, other than how it impacts our buying decisions.


Or it's
they very well might care what our politics are.


Whatever they can hype to get people to buy safety and stuff, at the expense of knowledge, is just fine.



stevesinpa

(143 posts)
10. it's kind of funny...
Sun Dec 27, 2020, 11:14 PM
Dec 2020

all these people talking about if the government spies on us or not.
hey, people, after the 9/11 attacks, bush jr administration used the attacks to push through the so called patriot act. it flew through congress and most Americans were too angry and upset by the attacks to bat an eye. the patriot act basically mooted the right to privacy. look it up. and most Americans agreed with the new law because they just thought it would be used against Muslims.
proving once again that the cost of freedom is not constant war but informed vigilance.

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