We need to get to the bottom of the origin of COVID

[magicguido]

Last edited Sun May 30, 2021, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Of course whatever the origin; it was trump’s Failure to stop it at 15 cases.

[ancianita]

1. Regardless how this virus originated & spread across continents, this should not be about blame

to spread America's divisiveness across continents would lead to bad geopolitics. He talks of a 'ledger' but doesn't explain it, an there shouldn't be talk of a ledger, however it's defined.

This doctor sounds as political as he sounds preventive.
BSL 4 labs should be required for virus study across continents, monitored by international health bodies like WHO.

[Warpy]

2. Worthless book

if he didn't identify the colossal lack of leadership at the top and the dismantling of Obama;s pandemic team as causative factors;

The fact is that this virus was in the US before the cluster of cases appeared in Wuhan and China picked up on it.

The virus could very well have escaped from that lab. Both the CDC and the WHO were trying to assist them on beefing up procedures and the facility, itself until that vain nincompoop in the White House pulled out the CDC and then tried to get the US to leave WHO.

Anything that ignores the role of the last administration in being more concerned with propaganda than policy in causing what is now over 600,000 deaths here in the US really has nothing to say to me or anyone else. Yes, address where it came from but the main thing is to address what extreme failure was allowed to make it spread so quickly in the US.

ETA: Oh, and Gottlieb? If you want the original strain from Wuhan, contact the Australians. They got a sample right away and managed to replicate it quickly.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/australian-scientists-first-to-grow-coronavirus-in-a-lab-outside-china/

[Phoenix61]

3. Source for covid 19 being in the states before

the cluster of cases in Wuhan.

[Warpy]

4. You could have looked it up yourself

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-us-early-december-2019-study/story?id=74479234

Doctors in the fall were surprised that what was supposed to be a relatively mild flu season was turning out to be a lot more lethal.

Pandemics don't start on Day/Date/Month/Year. They simmer under the surface until a big cluster of cases appears and makes researchers take a much closer look. The cases in Wuhan made doctors in the US take a closer look at tissue samples from people who had died of the "flu." They found Covid.

Case in point: Lyme disease. It was the disease of the century when a big cluster of cases appeared around LYme, Ct. However, it turned out be a very old disease. Oetzi, the man frozen in Alpine ice for 5500 years, tested positive for it.

[stopdiggin]

6. That article only pushes back

the date for entry into the U.S. by a modest amount (about a month) -- and, while valid scientifically, really doesn't change the arc of the story all that much. Likewise with the 'early flu deaths' -- they didn't find a lot, and what they did find didn't change the story line to any great extent.

Was the virus lurking around in China for some (undetermined) period? Entirely plausible. Beyond that ....

[Warpy]

7. You could have looked that up, also

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/05/covid-pandemic-might-have-begun-as-early-as-october-experts-say/

Ball's in your court, time for you to start looking this stuff up. It's interesting.

[stopdiggin]

9. thing is, I find it (mildly) interesting

but I find almost none of it terribly surprising -- nor compelling in moving me away from the zoonotic origin theory. I just find little or no reason to begin assuming or speculating something different ....

I also think Dr Fauci had almost immediate regrets over some careless wording -- wasn't at all what he wished he had conveyed .... And that is me speculating ....

[magicguido]

11. The Dismantling of the Pandemic Team should be grounds for MASS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE charges

[Warpy]

12. It should but don't hold your breath

It was within his scope of duty to reorganize departments so he is immune from charges over doing so.

I'm afraid fucking stupidity isn't actionable unless it breaks a law.

[stopdiggin]

5. please tell me why we've "GOT to get to the bottom .. "

Intellectual curiosity does not make for a scientific (or political) imperative.

The scientific community will always be in favor of more study -- more facts, interpretation and analysis -- in the way that scientists do. But the fact is that the original (zoonotic) explanation for the origin of this virus remains by far the most plausible -- and is backed up by the preponderance of evidence that has come to light so far. "More study" is always to be encouraged -- but the fact is, even if new evidence comes to the fore -- it will change little as far boots on the ground efforts to combat the disease, or socio-political efforts at control and cooperation. And, in fact -- won't even advance the science that much either.

I become more suspicious of this determined effort to hammer a square peg into a round hole, with every insistence I hear of "must get the facts ... " The real impetus here seems to be less about science -- and rather more about some alternative agenda.

[Warpy]

8. Thank you

The real story is the lack of leadership that caught most of the world, but especially the US, completely flat footed. That seems to be a story Dr. Gottlieb isn't interested in, but it's the story that produced all the death and disability.

That lab in Wuhan was being advised on the best procedures for working with dangerous bugs, and they were starting to comply. It just came a little too late, if in fact the lab leaked an attenuated SARS virus, which is what Covid is.

Dr. Gottlieb seems invested in convincing everyone this is fact. It's still a theory; Perhaps if Dumdum hadn't been as much of an ass the Chinese would have cooperated more fully. They certainly cooperated with other governments.

[stopdiggin]

10. and in that -- COMPLETE agreement. -(nt)-