Nina Turner: Wrong for Ohio

[NurseJackie]

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Third Way is a progressive think tank located in Washington, DC.
http://www.thirdway.org

[Cobalt Violet]

1. She's a Democrat! Get over it!

No way is "Third Way" progressive.

[NurseJackie]

3. Really? Here are their areas of focus... which one/s do you disagree with?

No way is "Third Way" progressive.

Really? What a strange thing to say. Here are their areas of focus... which one/s do you disagree with? It all looks good to me! Everything they're pushing and advocating for sounds PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

Social Policy

We are forging common ground on contentious social issues, while fighting efforts to turn back the clock on social progress. What does that look like? We’ve helped unite faith communities and LGBT advocates around the shared value of commitment in marriage, and advocated for gun safety measures that protect responsible owners and do more to keep guns out of the wrong hands.

Climate and Energy

Our team designs and advocates for policies that will drive innovation and deployment of clean energy technologies, and deliver the emissions cuts we need to win the fight against climate change. The more low-carbon options we have to work with, the better our chances of success. That’s why we’re proud to be part of a large and growing community promoting evidence-based solutions to the climate challenge that include advanced nuclear and carbon capture technology, as well as renewables, hydropower, existing nuclear, energy storage, and efficiency.

Economy

Our team designs and advocates for expansive, forward-thinking solutions to address the challenges facing Americans seeking to earn a good life. We believe that an innovative, modernized government must work in tandem with a thriving and dynamic private sector to achieve sustained economic growth and broad prosperity. Technology and globalization are changing the nature of work in ways not seen in a century; we create and promote policy ideas so that those huge economic shifts can help people instead of hurt them.

Education

Higher education is now critical to securing a middle-class lifestyle, but our education system is still built around 20th century ideas. We’re focused on moving the K-12 and higher education debates toward policies that improve outcomes so that every student leaves our education system with more opportunities than before they started.

Health Care

Our team advances forward thinking policy ideas to ensure affordable, high-quality health care for everyone. We believe that defending and improving the Affordable Care Act is the key for expanding coverage. And we believe that our nation can keep health care costs down by improving the patient experience—when patients stay healthy, or get better quicker, they need less care.

National Security

Our team works to keep national security on the front burner for policymakers. We educate Members of Congress on emerging threats, developing and promoting policy ideas to make America strong and safe, and conducting narrative and messaging research to help progressives be tough and smart on national security.

Politics

We bring a unique expertise on how to appeal to voters in some of the most purple parts of the country. Our team uses in-depth public opinion research and original analysis to unite progressives around a broad path to power at all levels of government and debunk outdated electoral theories. Our team is undertaking a major project to overhaul our electoral system in ways that radically increase participation and make our system more representative of the people it is supposed to serve.

[redstateblues]

6. When did she say she is a Democrat?

Poison

[NurseJackie]

18. According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run...

According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run as a "People's Party" candidate.

This was interesting:

"The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat." (emphasis is mine)

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

Her pathetic "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to get on the Ohio 11 ballot in time, otherwise she would run as a People's Party candidate. The reality is this: she's only grudgingly running as a Democrat and using OUR party in order to be on the ballot.

[McKim]

10. Third Way I Agree

Third Way is not progressive and who is calling them that? Please take out that word.

[NurseJackie]

15. Here are their areas of focus... which one/s do you disagree with? It all looks good to me!

Third Way is not progressive and who is calling them that? Please take out that word.

Really? What a strange thing to say. Here are their areas of focus... which one/s do you disagree with? It all looks good to me! Everything they're pushing and advocating for sounds PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

Social Policy

We are forging common ground on contentious social issues, while fighting efforts to turn back the clock on social progress. What does that look like? We’ve helped unite faith communities and LGBT advocates around the shared value of commitment in marriage, and advocated for gun safety measures that protect responsible owners and do more to keep guns out of the wrong hands.

Climate and Energy

Our team designs and advocates for policies that will drive innovation and deployment of clean energy technologies, and deliver the emissions cuts we need to win the fight against climate change. The more low-carbon options we have to work with, the better our chances of success. That’s why we’re proud to be part of a large and growing community promoting evidence-based solutions to the climate challenge that include advanced nuclear and carbon capture technology, as well as renewables, hydropower, existing nuclear, energy storage, and efficiency.

Economy

Our team designs and advocates for expansive, forward-thinking solutions to address the challenges facing Americans seeking to earn a good life. We believe that an innovative, modernized government must work in tandem with a thriving and dynamic private sector to achieve sustained economic growth and broad prosperity. Technology and globalization are changing the nature of work in ways not seen in a century; we create and promote policy ideas so that those huge economic shifts can help people instead of hurt them.

Education

Higher education is now critical to securing a middle-class lifestyle, but our education system is still built around 20th century ideas. We’re focused on moving the K-12 and higher education debates toward policies that improve outcomes so that every student leaves our education system with more opportunities than before they started.

Health Care

Our team advances forward thinking policy ideas to ensure affordable, high-quality health care for everyone. We believe that defending and improving the Affordable Care Act is the key for expanding coverage. And we believe that our nation can keep health care costs down by improving the patient experience—when patients stay healthy, or get better quicker, they need less care.

National Security

Our team works to keep national security on the front burner for policymakers. We educate Members of Congress on emerging threats, developing and promoting policy ideas to make America strong and safe, and conducting narrative and messaging research to help progressives be tough and smart on national security.

Politics

We bring a unique expertise on how to appeal to voters in some of the most purple parts of the country. Our team uses in-depth public opinion research and original analysis to unite progressives around a broad path to power at all levels of government and debunk outdated electoral theories. Our team is undertaking a major project to overhaul our electoral system in ways that radically increase participation and make our system more representative of the people it is supposed to serve.

[TheBlackAdder]

41. Dealings with Third Way in the past, they are a group to create fissures in the Democratic Party.

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They had roots with shaky fiscal conservativism, and was funded by a lot of Philanthropies and Private Organizations, including Charles & David Koch to push for lax 'free trade' and the stifling of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, and the group's initial goal was to push Pragmatism.

While being pragmatic is a noble objective, it only works when all sides are pragmatic, and fails when not.
Unfortunately, Third Way promotes negotiating in the middle, with what is mutually achievable.

The flaw with pragmatism is that if the Dems start at the 50 yard line, Republicans are entrenched in their end zone and are virtually immovable. This means that the best a Democrat could achieve is 50%, but during the negotiation process, a little extra give occurs and this slowly, which almost always benefits Republicans, and has been shifting politics towards the right over the past 20 years.

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[Me.]

11. So She Says

Yet she disses our president in a most egregious way along wit Rep. Clyburn. Kicked HRC in the teeth and joined forces with Jill Stein to help defeat our former SOS.

[cab67]

12. Only because she's running for office.

Third-party and independent candidates rarely, if ever, win elections. So she signed up with one of the two parties.

She's not a Democrat because she wants to advance the Democratic Party. She's a Democrat because she can't win the election otherwise. I would imagine she'd quit the party and serve as an independent if, should disaster befall us, she wins.

[emulatorloo]

19. Lol. She's a backstabber and untrustworthy. Just because she worked for Senator Sanders

doesn’t make her a Democrat.

[NurseJackie]

22. Nina-T is the same woman who endorsed Jill Fucking Stine instead of Hillary...

Nina-T is the same woman who endorsed Jill Fucking Stine instead of Hillary (in the general election against Trump). She was also asked by Stein to be her VP running mate. She's part of a plethora of guilty individuals who took part in kneecapping Hillary's campaign and strengthening Trump's campaign.

She couldn't even bring herself to support BIDEN over Trump. Nina-T has no loyalty to the Democratic party, it's obvious.

We even have a high-ranking individual in her "People's Party" who confirmed (in a video-recorded interview) that if Nina wins, the plan is to have her publicly renounce the Democratic party and do a little "bait-and-switch" by declaring allegiance to the "People's Party" that she founded.

[TomCADem]

44. Please. She Equated Biden with Trump

The funny thing is that folks list her positions and say that she is a Democrat, yet fail to ask why she spends so much time attacking Democrats who hold the same positions that she is pushing?

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/nina-turner-thoughts-2020-presidential-race/95-503173bd-c93e-43ee-b303-be8e68793f21

CLEVELAND — Former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner is gaining national attention for a comment she made about the 2020 presidential race in which she used an expletive when discussing the option of voting for Joe Biden or President Trump.

Her comment was published in an article by The Atlantic as she expressed her lack of enthusiasm about the choice she and other voters face at the polls this November.

[empedocles]

2. Just don't understand any real Dem endorsements for nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

4. Great ad

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[George II]

5. That video is being very kind.

[NurseJackie]

13. Yes... there are a couple of others that make it VERY CLEAR who she is and what she's about.

In her own words: Nina Turner seems to hate the Democratic party. --- Here's an interesting collection of video/audio clips of interviews that Nina-T has given over the years. She makes it very clear that she has nothing but contempt and distrust of the Democratic Party. Yet here she is, running "as a" Democrat (but only because her preferred "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to get on the ballot in Ohio.)

I spent a few minutes typing a transcript of the on-screen text AND her exact words. Watch and listen to the video... read-along if you want. Here is the TRUTH about what Nina-T thinks of Democrats... the words are coming from her own mouth!

Nina Turner is running as a Democratic candidate for #OH11 but she seems to hate the party. She never said she voted for Biden in 2020 or Hillary in 2016. She also said electing President Obama was symbolic & produced no results & that Kamala as VP pick was to “check off a box”.

Link to tweet

Nina Turner highlights the moment her disdain for the Democratic Party originated.

-- "... and at a dinner for the Ohio Democratic Party, President Clinton said everyone else's name but mine. So, this is the exclusive because I've never told this story publicly."

Nina Turner explains that President Obama was only a symbolic figure.

-- "... we made no demands of the President, and the 'symbol' of President Obama is a beautiful thing, but what did that get us collectively?"

Nina Turner explains she believes the 2016 Democratic Primary was rigged.

-- "... the fix was in from the beginning!"

Nina Turner explains she is not about party unity: She thinks her preferred 2016 candidate was "cheated"

-- "... well I wasn't there, you know, I was home. Because, my, the person I wanted, you know, got cheated in the primary."

Nina Turner explains if it is a choice between Trump or Hillary, might as well vote for the extreme.

-- "... you know if it's the difference between the lesser of the two evils, we might just go with straight-up evil!"

Nina Turner explains she "would love to see" the extreme left "go crazy" & "hold the Democratic Party hostage"

-- "... what I would love to see the progressive movement do from the progressive members of the House of Representatives and progressive members who may be in the Senate is... to go crazy! Maybe take a page out of the Tea Party book and hold the Democratic Party hostage!"

Nina Turner explains that Kamala Harris joining the ticket is about "checking off a box"

-- "... it cannot be about just checking-off a box! But it is clear that the Democratic Party -- that is what they are most concerned about -- see, they're more concerned about optics."

Nina Turner explains that Kamala Harris joining the ticket is the ticket Wall Street wants.

-- "... Wall Street has the ticket that they want!"

Nina Turner explains that having to vote between Donald Trump and Joe Biden is like choosing between two bowls of shit to eat.

-- "... you got two bowls of shit in front of you, and you got to pick one. That's the situation we in right now. Bowl #1 or Bowl #2?"

How can Nina work with a party she hates?

-- "... these so-called Democrats!"
-- "... I have no faith in the Democratic Party."

[George II]

17. The amazing thing is these are all things she said herself, direct quotes....

....not someone's subjective interpretation of all those statements.

[emulatorloo]

20. +1. And yes, her own words ...

[NurseJackie]

21. She made it clear that she has nothing but contempt for the Democratic party and President Biden...

... I think I can safely surmise that those feelings are returned to her by many.

[betsuni]

25. +1

[George II]

14. Can you name one bit of "progress" she's made in her career?

[NurseJackie]

16. There will be no reply.

[oldsoftie]

9. With candidates like this, expect to lose bigly.

[Unca Jim]

23. FFS!

If Sinema and Manchin get to be Democrats, why doesn't Turner?

Just because she said what many of us were thinking in 2016 and 2020 doesn't mean she cannot see the utility of working with the only other party who cares about any of the stuff she wants to work on to make happen.

Third Way?

Please.

[NurseJackie]

24. Neither one of those has started their own "People's Party" to siphon-off votes from Democrats.

If Sinema and Manchin get to be Democrats, why doesn't Turner?

Well... neither one of those has started their own "People's Party" to siphon-off votes from Democrats. Neither one of those refused to support the Democratic nominee against Trump. Neither one of those has compared President Biden to a "bowl of shit".

Just because she said what many of us were thinking in 2016 and 2020 doesn't mean she cannot see the utility of working with the only other party who cares about any of the stuff she wants to work on to make happen.

Really? You think that Joe Biden is no better than a bowl of shit?

Plus, we even have a high-ranking individual in her "People's Party" who confirmed (in a video-recorded interview) that if Nina wins, the plan is to have her publicly renounce the Democratic party and do a little "bait-and-switch" by declaring allegiance to the "People's Party" that she founded.

That doesn't sound anything at ALL like she can see "the utility of working with the only other party who cares". That kind of bait-and-switch is treachery.

Third Way? Please.

What objections do you have to Third Way? Their goals and objects seem perfectly sensible and reasonable to me.

[Unca Jim]

26. Sure..

But that sounds suspiciously like people's objections to Sanders running as an Independent while he works for and caucuses with Democrats. You can try to push the party to the left from the outside and still be there for it when it's your only option for progress. I do not get the tribalism in the party on that subject.

As for the Biden quote, I think it's telling that it's not complete. She said" “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.’ It’s still shit”. Oligarchy has way too much say in our party. It's OK not to like that and call people beholden to the money to task. I am super, mega, King Kamehameha glad that President Biden has been much better than I expected, but candidate Biden didn't seem that exciting and didn't distance himself from all the corporate influence as much as many wanted to see. Just for the record, once Biden was the nominee Turner endorsed Biden and worked hard to get him elected.

Was Turner wrong to rescind her 2015 support for Clinton, endorse Sanders, then refuse to endorse Clinton as the nominee when she won? In retrospect, sure. But people on the left end of the Democratic spectrum weren't excited about an "it's my turn" candidate who refused to talk about the kitchen table issues that were and are central. Let's be honest, even people who ought to have known better like Turner really didn't think Trump could win. They were incredibly stupid to stay home, but I can understand why it might have seemed a viable option in 2016.

Third Way is all about keeping the rich as rich as possible and hates socialism and social programs. They are literally against any sort of income redistribution. Of course they don't want to see people like Turner elected. Their stated goals are nice and everything, but their ability to ignore the fact that most of the money generated in the past 40 years has gone to the rich and their refusing to act to ameliorate that leads me to dismiss them.

[NurseJackie]

27. You made it worse for Nina by giving us the "complete" quote...

She clearly hates Democrats and the Democratic party... she doesn't want to be here, and the contempt she has for loyal Democrats is returned to her as well.

In retrospect, sure.

How gracious!

But people on the left end of the Democratic spectrum weren't excited about an "it's my turn" candidate who refused to talk about the kitchen table issues that were and are central.

What horseshit.

Let's be honest, even people who ought to have known better like Turner really didn't think Trump could win. They were incredibly stupid to stay home,

With her encouragement. Stop making excuses for her.

but I can understand why it might have seemed a viable option in 2016.

Blah-blah-blah. Excuses, excuses. She voted for Jill Fucking Stein and refused to support Biden. That's all anyone needs to know. No "pretty bow" or shifting the blame is going to change that.

Third Way is all about keeping the rich as rich as possible and hates socialism and social programs.

More talking points and buzzwords. Nonsense is still nonsense no matter how many catch-phrases it's wrapped in.

Of course they don't want to see people like Turner elected.

They're not the only ones... and not for the paranoid BS reasons stated. Nina is no victim. She's a snake who wants to do everything she can to get "revenge" in the Democratic party and "split the vote" with her bullshit "People's Party" which will give more power to the Republicans. Everyone knows it. No sense in pretending otherwise.

All I'm telling you is that I'm smarter than I'm being given credit for. Don't try to play ME for a fool.

[Budi]

30. Bravo!! 👍 NurseJackie

How anyone can endorse the juvenile verbal assault on our Democratic leaders says all you need to know about them.

It is gutter politics & they own that.

Biden's a 'bowl of shit'
Harris is a VP 'seat filler'
Clyburn is 'stupid'

Who the fk talks like this?
Childish, juvenile & a lie.

Ya we sure need THAT mentality leading our Democracy!

It is who they are. Their words.

[betsuni]

29. So calling Biden "shit" twice in the full quote is better than once?

"Oligarchy has way too much say in out party." "call people beholden to the money to task." What Democrats are beholden to oligarchy and money? There must be numerous examples. Which Democrats campaigned on something progressive and after the election changed their policies because of campaign contributions? If the oligarchy has so much say with Democrats, why did none of them vote for Trump's tax cuts? Weren't the oligarchy mad about that? What corporate influence didn't Biden distance himself from? No, Turner didn't endorse Biden, didn't work hard to get him elected.

Hillary Clinton did not "refuse to talk about the kitchen table issues." If you knew anything about her, you'd know this. It's literally what she's known for.

"Among the most unjust consequences of Sanders's branding Clinton as an establishment tool was the effect on young African Americans. Their parents -- particularly their mothers -- were solid in their support for Clinton, and that wasn't the result of her racial 'pandering' (as Trump later suggested) but rather Hillary's quiet, steady work, over decades, on issues of 'kitchen-table' importance to black families and the relationships she had with black leaders. That history was either unknown or ignored ... ." (Susan Bordo)

Also the most frequent word used in her speeches was "jobs."

Third Way is just an organization that has meetings and talks about issues.

[Unca Jim]

35. Look, I get it...

People like good guys and bad guys.

If you want to ignore all the kowtowing to the rich that a lot of democrats do because you view them as the good guys, fine.

Democrats didn't vote for Trump's tax cuts because Democrats are (thankfully) moving away from servicing the oligarchy and Trump's tax cuts were so terrible there was no way to justify them.

I also get a lot of folks want to blame progressives for Clinton's loss. Feel free to ignore her missteps if you like. For what it's worth, I agree the people who didn't support her (including Turner) were wrong not to.

Third Way produced the hit piece, they don't just "talk about issues".

[betsuni]

40. Don't know what you mean by "good guys and bad guys." Something is a fact and real, or it isn't.

Please give examples of Democrats "kowtowing to the rich." If this is true, you can give examples. Some people like to base their opinions on facts, not innuendoes and accusations without evidence.

"Feel free to ignore her missteps" -- like what? Define "progressive." Hillary is a progressive. Democrats are the progressive party.

Nobody should be upset about Third Way. It's like being freaked out about superdelegates, the DNC, DCC. They're all Democrats. I keep hearing these things. People really shouldn't pay any attention to these dramatic conspiracy theories about dark powerful Democratic Establishment forces stopping at nothing to defeat progress. They can't be spineless weak milquetoast moderate centrists and be diabolically evil and powerful at the same time.

[Unca Jim]

43. OK...

The aforementioned Manchin and Sinema are not alone in their resistance to any sort of decent minimum wage, raising taxes on the rich, and redistribution of wealth.

I agree the current Congress of Democrats is the best and most progressive in 40 years, but there are countless examples of them losing their way. Here's a great summary article, but the Internet is your friend if you need more specifics. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/democrats-working-class-americans-us-election

Clinton didn't campaign hard in the swing states she assumed she had in the bag, she didn't challenge Trump as the populist by speaking to economic issues that affected many Americans. Sure, her platform was great, she was eminently qualified and would have been a great President, but she didn't push when she needed to. She certainly wasn't helped by people like Turner who didn't realize the imperative of resisting Trump at all costs. Fortunately, Biden did a lot better at all that and got he support he needed to win.

Upset about Third Way? Not me. I just recognize them for what they are: opposed to any redistribution of wealth. Accordingly, I ignore their opinions.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories surrounding the DNC.

*I* don't need good guys and bad guys. I think there is room for Manchin and Turner in this party.

[betsuni]

42. By the way, progressives said they would've voted for Elizabeth Warren if she'd run in 2016.

"For a time in the primaries, Bernie Sanders supporters were fond of saying, 'I'd love a woman for president, just not this one. If Elizabeth Warren were running, she'd have my vote in a minute.' But when Elizabeth Warren was actually running for the Massachusetts Senate, she had to deal with charges of being 'harsh' and 'unlikeable.' Other women were turned off by her 'know-it-all style,' and she was charged, like Clinton, with 'inauthenticity.' 'I want her to sound like a human being,' said a Democratic analyst for Boston radio station WBUR, 'not read the script that makes her sound like some angry, hectoring schoolmarm.'" (Susan Bordo)

We know what happened when she ran for president in 2020. It's not about policy. What were Warren's "missteps"?

[Unca Jim]

51. Warren...

did great, ran a great campaign, and was my preferred candidate before she bowed out.

I agree misogyny is a pervasive issue and Clinton and Warren are certainly affected by it.

So is Turner, for that matter.

[George II]

32. "Third Way" is a group of progressive DEMOCRATS, and here you are bashing a group of DEMOCRATS!!

[Unca Jim]

36. Yeah, that tribalism...

I don't care what they call themselves, I care what they propose.

But look, I understand. Anyone who says bad things about Democrats can be irritating.

[Cha]

28. This is WHY.. 81 Million People were Not "thinking" this..

We're Paying Attention.. We Know the Difference between Now Pres Biden & the Treasonous Psycho.

Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Rips Biden: Choosing Between Him and Trump is Like Eating From a ‘Bowl of Sh*t’

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213815901

[Budi]

31. Better than "burn it all down"

How'd that work for America, huh?

[Unca Jim]

38. Weird...

When did I ever give the impression I thought that people who actually bought into that "burn it all down" bullshit were anything but wrong?

I don't agree with Turner about a lot of stuff, but she has as much of a place here as others.

[Budi]

45. Her juvenile name calling belongs somewhere else

Biden's a 'bowl of shit'
Harris is just a 'seat filler'
Clyburn is 'Stupid'

[Unca Jim]

50. So...

When did I endorse her name calling? And how does that make Third Way progressive?

[George II]

33. You were thinking Joe Biden is a half bowl of shit AND one of two bowls of shit? And you're fine....

....with her ditching the Democratic Party and switching to the People's Party?

If the "only other party who cares about any of the stuff she wants to work on to make happen" happens to be NOT the Democratic Party, why is she running as a Democrat?

A reminder once again, Third Way is a group of progressive DEMOCRATS!

[Unca Jim]

39. Again...

Biden was not that exciting, but once he was the nominee I supported him wholeheartedly.

Third Way is far from progressive.

[Budi]

46. Lets see, did we want tribal divided juvenile name calling excitement?

Or Less "exciting" Joe Biden with his 40 yrs of successful forward thinking, smart savy, head down-&-get it done foreign policy, legislating history, & all the while having the RESPECT of collegues from all sides.

I'll take that solid smart Established Democrat Joe Biden, over a publicity addicted, fundraising, somebody else, with literally ZERO governing experience.

[Unca Jim]

49. For me...

it was the years of taking care of the credit card and banking industries and years of capitulating to the Republicans under Obama that made him less exciting.

But, again, supported him in the general and have been really impressed with him so far.

[George II]

34. Who are you, Unka Jim?

[Unca Jim]

37. Who are you?

I'm a Democrat who has as much right to be on this site as anyone. Who are you?

[Budi]

47. Who Are You

https://www.democraticunderground.com/103457334

[Unca Jim]

48. A classic.

♫ I REALLY WANNA KNOW! ♫

Haven't though of that song for a while...thanks!