Ben Shapiro and Malcolm Nance on Critical Race Theory Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Nance kicks Shapiro's ass, figuratively.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

1. Shapiro is smart, no getting around it, but supremely annoying

and disingenuous at the same time.

The fact that 'that's Texas' is actually pretty friggin important due to the fact that this state largely gets to define what is in the mass-market textbooks for the whole US. Can't just discount it like Maher does.

Malcolm really never got a chance to define the REAL issue here, which is that 'CRT' is being defined as terrible by the right, and then used as an excuse to avoid or even ban ... teaching the truth about racial history.

Mostly cause Shapiro wouldn't let him talk (and also Bill to a lesser extent).

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5. IMO Malcolm clearly won that argument by just saying "teach history".

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CRT is taught in law school, not public schools. Republicans, Shapiro included, have hijacked the term and claim it's being taught in public schools to make white students feel guilty about being white.

Nothing is further from the truth. Racism, enslavement, the jim crow era and the resulting effects all that has on African Americans still today is continually whitewashed from public education, which is why Malcolm Nance simply said, "teach actual history". Meaning of course, don't whitewash it.

I agree Shapiro is a sniveling, annoying brat, but he totally got owned in that argument.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

7. The way I see it, if these 'CRT Bans' happen, how is any teacher to know for sure

What 'crosses the line' into 'banned CRT' vs. 'History'?

The real problem (well, from our side ... it's the intended effect from their side) is that this will effectively result in a gag-order on teaching anything about the US's racist history because you can't really be certain that what you're talking about cannot be considered 'CRT' by someone who wants to screw you over.

Esp. if there's a ban in Texas, who get to decide what's in so many of the country's textbooks.

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8. You're absolutely right. Bans will just lead to even further whitewashing...

as teacher, being uncertain as to what can be taught, will just avoid teaching it all together. Which is what republicans want as all that party is about is creating wedge issues to divide people. They have no policy positions, other than tax cuts for the rich and obstruction of Democrats actual policy goals which help the average American.

[Auggie]

12. +1,000,000. Teach. The. History. (n/t)

[Bev54]

2. How could anyone listen to that whiney high pitched voice of Shapiro

It is like fingernails on a chalk board. You can always tell when they are full of it and themselves because he talks fast and refuses to allow others to make their arguments. Typical RW.

[mountain grammy]

9. Agree.

[LittleGirl]

13. His voice makes me cringe! Ugh nt

[onecaliberal]

3. The systemic racism swept under the carpet by the likes of Maher saying he

Didn’t own slaves so it’s all okay now, not only misses the entire fucking point but it gives cover to republicans who pretend CRT is a thing.

[TheRealNorth]

4. Malcolm Nance is a weird choice for the subject matter...

Since Nance is more of a national security/intelligence/foreign affairs expert.

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6. He still owned Shapiro though by simply saying, "teach history"...

which Shapiro clearly doesn't want to happen.

I agree with you that CRT is not exactly up Nance's alley but he held his own against the annoying Shapiro.

One of the originators of the theory would been better but who knows, there might have been availability/scheduling problems.

[rurallib]

10. That is the first time I have seen or heard of Shapiro

feels like a Tucker Carlson wannabe. What aspirations!

[localroger]

11. He's far smarter than Tucker, which makes him more dangerous. /nt

[drmeow]

14. I couldn't watch it

cause every time Shapiro interrupted him with his whinny victim voice I just wanted to turn off his mic.