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JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
1. Or what? It isn't up to Biden, it is Manchin and Sinema, and good luck with that
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

Have to wonder who they voted for in 2016, or should I say who they didn’t vote for

Perhaps if they push hard enough they can get enough in the progressive caucus not to vote for anything, and then let’s see how well things work out for them with speaker McCarthy

JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
3. I watched it, complaining about "promises not delivered", ignoring the reality of the situation
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 12:52 PM
Oct 2021

My original comments still stand

I am pretty optimistic that Rep Jalapal and Bush are going to try and sink the whole thing with their all or nothing philosophy









Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
4. Your comments seem to indicate that you didn't watch the OP video or you would know
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:02 PM
Oct 2021

what the hunger strikers were calling for and you would also know they addressed Manchin and Sinema.

The Infrastructure bill on its' own merit leaves much to be desired, those shortcomings were to be addressed in the reconciliation bill which Manchin and Sinema have actively worked to undermine from the beginning using different angles whether policy or revenue.



JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
5. At this stage there is nothing Biden will be able to do to motivate Manchin and Sinema to modify
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:06 PM
Oct 2021

their views

After six months that should be obvious



JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
8. you really think that will change anything? Unfortunately I suspect the only thing that will
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:33 PM
Oct 2021

accomplish is possibly hurting their health.

Working to get people elected is what will achieve change

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
10. Nothing happens in a vacuum
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:36 PM
Oct 2021

"Nothing happens in a vacuum in life: every action has a series of consequences, and sometimes it takes a long time to fully understand the consequences of our actions."

Khaled Hosseini



JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
11. That is true Joe, but we have to achieve power in order to elicit change, and that equates to
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:40 PM
Oct 2021

winning more seats

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
7. Without a substantial environmental component, the build back bill is impotent horseshit.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:29 PM
Oct 2021

With Climate Catastrophe looming, frankly, every bill not viewed through an environmental lens is weak and unproductive.

JohnSJ

(92,187 posts)
9. So what are you suggesting, it is either that or nothing? Because the votes aren't there, and
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:35 PM
Oct 2021

the only way to change that is to elect more climate aware representatives and senators

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
12. Yes.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 01:43 PM
Oct 2021

Where do you suggest we make a stand? Build Back Better is already a cringing shadow of its original self.

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