Michael Moore: What's your Number before you ACT?

[magicguido]

[Budi]

1. What's YOUR number Michael Moore?

Stop helping Republicans get elected, maybe.

Gore/Bush 2000
Clinton/Trump 2016

You, from the Nadar/Sirota-Sarandon 3rd party fringe literally campaigned against the Democratic Party.
Now with the 2016 SC loss, we're staring at the end of decades long Roe & human rights, & the new Expansion of gunrights.

What's your number Mr Moore?
When were you 'concerned'?

[TiberiusB]

3. Once again, the same irrefutable argument that two semi successful celebrities are to blame...

And not the Democrats hard turn to the Right after Reagan and the Right going full fascist.

No changes to gun laws since the assault weapons ban despite having the supermajority, albeit briefly, under Obama
No codifying Roe in 50 years
All Moore's fault...and Sarandon's, too, naturally...

And the way he convinced an aging and increasingly fragile RBG to refuse retirement and stay on until the Democrats lost the supermajority and handed at least one seat to Trump...pure genius.

It's not the PAC money...
Definitely not the blue dogs like Cuellar...
Or the filibuster loving Manchin and Sinema contingent...

Damn those two!

So-Much-Power

[Budi]

5. You left out "Corporatists, & ESTABLISHMENT"

Your post just proves my point.

What's MM's #'s again?
When does he stop getting Republicans elected?
SC was never a concern until now for Mr Moore, & he's again out their ripping the Dem leaders, past & present, without owning his part in the downslide of our Democracy. And suddenly he's a TV celebrity again! $$$

He made a choice & it wasn't for the salvation of our SC.

I'm really insulted by all these sudden chest beaters for Gun rights & Roe' rights for women & human rights. Now that its gone, suddenly they all wail at the threat & loss.
Makes for good populist messaging I guess. And campaign $$$.
They literally campaigned against the SC urgency in 2016.

And we haven't even started on 2000 & Gore/Bush with Nader's fringe doing the same thing

Speaking of Super Pacs, Justice Democrats is itself a Super Pac, formed about a year ago.
Sunrise Rev & Momentum Movement are a PACs, so are most of the many groups organized by DSA, WFP, JDEMS & raging antisemetics, Waleed Shahid, Max Berger, Zack Exley & those in that organization with ties to libertarian Pete Thiel.

They'er no longer simple grassroots, but full blown PACS & Super PACS themselves, the very ones they rail against the Dems for being.
So they can drop that once useful campaign & fundraising tool. It's a lie.
Thanks.

[TiberiusB]

7. Where's the beef?

You keep railing against Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon at every opportunity, but your case never involves any measurable proof. You can hate their politics, but I fail to see the evidence that they moved the needle of public opinion.

Here's how the thinking seems to go:
If a celebrity doesn't like the candidate and speaks up about it, they MUST be responsible for their failure. People with any media access shouldn't have opinions.
The elections were so close, and everyone knows that if you voted third party, your vote was effectively stolen from Clinton or Gore. If you aren't towing one of the two party lines, you're confused how Democracies work.
If that third party didn't exist, it's certain that 100% of the votes would have gone to the deserving candidate.
No one really thinks the vote would have been split between the candidates and very well may have made no difference at all. That's crazy statistical thinking.

That's not a case, it's convenient scapegoating. The polling for Gore and Clinton never showed any catastrophic impact from 3rd party candidates or celebrity disenchantment. Nader ran against Gore in the entire country, but somehow, just in Florida, he robbed Gore of the Presidency by just a few hundred votes. It wasn't the voter suppression or purging, the Supreme Court intervention, the corrupt Secretary of State. It was NADER!!! How do you know Nader didn't simply attract the anti-establishment voter who throws their loyalty to the fringe candidate or no one at all?

http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html

On the other hand, it's incredibly easy to see the damage done by things like the second email "investigation" announcement, not to mention the decades of attacks from the Right.
How did Biden not fall prey to the same third party woes that supposedly felled Al Gore and Hillary Clinton? How'd Obama sneak through? Twice!

And you can't seriously compare the financial weight of big pharma and oil industry PACs, among countless others, to Justice Democrats. Money needs to be excised from politics via public funding, but until that day arrives, tiny PACS like Justice Democrats barely make a dent.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. Didn't you know? Everything in this country turns on "teh ebil Sarandon"

She is the maker or breaker of kings!

[Jim_S]

8. I could not say it better :-/

Well done.

[Jim_S]

2. Say What?

I have been a viewer/listener/reader of Mr. Moore for a very long time. He is a staunch believer in the greatness that this country can achieve and has not helped repukes get elected. He's simply a truth-teller and sometimes the truth is painful to hear and accept. It's interesting you see it that way, although you and I are entitled to see it any way we like, just like Mr. Moore. I guess the important thing is that we are on the same team and should work very hard to make this country better and that means, defeating all repukes. Let's try to work together.

[Budi]

4. 2016 he literally campaigned against the Dem candidate.

Show me where MM advocated for the ONE issue that would drive this Democracy into an easy slide to RW christofascist total rule.

He was never concerned.
But he's got a multi million $$$ bankroll as a spokeman for 'the populist firebrand of 'American greatness'

He needs to stop nitpicking & advocating against the strongest Party that always held the line for people vs power.

Fact is, Moore said nothing, never warned of the SC vulnerability & what what was at stake.
He held hands with the burn it all down crowd.
Why I ask "What's your # Mr Moore"?

When do you own your blatant ommittance of the biggest threat to thos country. The loss of our SC.

Moore makes his millions however he has to make it.

[Jim_S]

9. Apparently You Have Some Issues With Mr. Moore

You should bring them up to him. He reads all his emails.
Glad I could help.

[Budi]

10. Ahh, Mr Moore just found a profitable niche.

*Al Gore~ Climate Warnings
*Hillary Clinton~ Supreme Court, Roe, Women & Human Rights

See. This is why MMore is just another multii-millionare exploitor of media for celebrity & profit.

If he was serious, as he claims, Bush & Trump never would have had the advantage they did in creating those final moments, to throw the elections against Democracy.

Moore, Stein, Nadar, Sarandon all had a massive public reach & knew how to exploit it for profit & celebrity.

To now hear the chest beatiing & bemoaning of these same opportunists as to the woeful state of affairs, is a fking joke.

They did nothing when the final choice to save this nation or demolish it was theirs to advocate, with those powerful celebrity voices they turned the opposite direction from the very ills they today bemoan, again via media, exploiting for profit & celebrity.
The only constant thing they apparantly were ever seriously in the celebrity political media game for.

Because had they been serious as to saving Roe or stopping the expansion of gun rights, they would have done their part with all the media star power they had.
But they did not.

Its the blatant hypocrisy, exploited for fame & fortune, ..in case someone wants to email him.