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Why Finland Joining NATO Checkmates Russia - RealLifeLore (Original Post) TexasTowelie Nov 2022 OP
Baltic Lake! elleng Nov 2022 #1
Well now. Hope Putin understands he needs to reaccess his... brush Nov 2022 #2
It's not quite that desperate for the Russian navy. DFW Nov 2022 #3
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The last real war Russia won was with massive support of Western supply chains. gordianot Nov 2022 #4
LIKE republianmushroom Nov 2022 #6

brush

(53,778 posts)
2. Well now. Hope Putin understands he needs to reaccess his...
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 03:50 AM
Nov 2022

aggressiveness as his navy, whatever there is of it, can easily be blocked from access to the Atlantic, what with Finland and Sweden petitioning to join NATO and thus make the Baltic Sea a NATO lake.

And that leaves the narrow Dardanelles and Bosporus straits between Europe and Asia as his Black Sea fleet's only access to the Atlantic, and they can also be easily blocked from entering the Mediterranean Sea from these straits, their route to the Atlantic Ocean.

That leaves his ocean access just to the distant far east ports 11 times zones away on the Pacific.

Bummer.

Pootie Poot needs to curb his ambitions. Geography is just not on his side as NATO is strategically positioned to easily defeat him if he gets froggy. That's just the way it is. He never should've invade Ukraine as his army has been shown to be third rate and his navy...well...there's little hope for it if a larger war breaks out.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
3. It's not quite that desperate for the Russian navy.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 05:35 AM
Nov 2022

The Atlantic is perfectly accessible from the port of Murmansk, which, due to global warming, hasn’t been as iced-in as it used to be in the winter. What they want is a warm-water port, and Assad letting them use that naval base in Syria is only assured as long as Assad is there—and it IS after all still the Middle East.

I don’t THINK he would use nuclear weapons on the Ukrainians, as the response would end life as both we and the Russians know it. But a wounded animal is at its most dangerous when cornered. We shouldn‘t even be drawing up contingency plans to take Putin out. That is a task best left to his own people, who will act if they feel he is no longer of any benefit as their leader.

Response to DFW (Reply #3)

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
4. The last real war Russia won was with massive support of Western supply chains.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 06:01 AM
Nov 2022

The collapse of the Soviet Union was not an accident they spent themselves into oblivion. It just seems that aggression political and military has too many consequences.

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