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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:44 AM Dec 2022

3000 police officers deployed in raids over plot to overthrow German government - DW News



In a nationwide raid, 25 suspected members and supporters of a terrorist organization were arrested early Wednesday. Officials said the network, part of a wider right-wing movement, was already well established with a concrete plan to overthrow the German state by force and install a new government.

The raids were announced by Germany's federal prosecution agency and German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann. Buschmann said the investigations were directed against a suspected terrorist network with known ties to the Reichsbürger movement. He said that the raids had taken place on individuals suspected of planning an armed attack on state institutions.

The search operation is reported to have covered 130 properties belonging to 52 suspects in 11 German states. According to prosecution officials, the arrested suspects "belong to a terrorist organization founded by the end of November 2021 at the latest, which has set itself the goal of overcoming the existing state order in Germany and replacing it with its own form of state, which has already been worked out in outline." Of the 25 men and women arrested, 24 were from Germany and one suspected supporter is from Russia. One arrest took place in Austria and one in Italy. There are 27 other suspects, the federal prosecutor's office said.

Prosecutors identified the suspected ringleaders only as Heinrich XIII P. R. and Ruediger v. P., in line with German privacy rules. The news magazine Der Spiegel reported that the former was a well-known 71-year-old member of a minor German noble family, while the latter was a 69-year-old former paratrooper. According to prosecutors, Heinrich XIII P. R., who the group planned to install as the new leader of Germany, had made contact with Russian officials seeking to establish a new order in Germany once the Berlin government was overthrown. A Russian woman, Vitalia B, had allegedly given him help with this. A currently-serving soldier in the Bundeswehr's Special Forces Command (KSK) as well as several Bundeswehr reservists were also among suspects in the case, a spokesperson for Germany's Military Counterintelligence Service (MAD) told the DPA news agency. A search was carried out at the soldier's home and his barracks office in the state of Baden-Württemberg.

The group had targeted members of the Bundeswehr and police for their wanted to win their goals. It had formed a "military arm" and a council presided over by Heinrich XIII P. R. To implement their plans the group's members were prepared to use the use of military means and violence against state representatives as well as violence. According to the investigators, the members of the group "followed a conglomerate of conspiracy myths consisting of narratives of the so-called 'Reichsbürger' as well as QAnon ideology." The prosecutors added that the group's adherents believe Germany is ruled by a so-called "deep state," similar to baseless claims about the United States that were made by former President Donald Trump. The Reichsbürger movement is made up of a number of small organizations and individuals, mainly in the states of Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and Bavaria. They do not accept the legality of the Federal Republic of Germany or any of its government authorities. The movement argues that the German constitution prior to World War II was never properly nullified and that the formation of the former West Germany in 1949, and now reunified Germany, was therefore never valid.
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3000 police officers deployed in raids over plot to overthrow German government - DW News (Original Post) TexasTowelie Dec 2022 OP
JHC! hlthe2b Dec 2022 #1
So there are dystopian right wing groups organized worldwide bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #2
I'm betting it won't take them 2 years to try and convict the ringleaders. jaxexpat Dec 2022 #3
Another Russian backed operation to destabilize democracy around the world. infullview Dec 2022 #4
Absolutely! Rebl2 Dec 2022 #5
I have mixed emotions hearing this. nycbos Dec 2022 #6
I hope this right wing terrorist plot will make the SPD... nycbos Dec 2022 #7

hlthe2b

(102,297 posts)
1. JHC!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:56 AM
Dec 2022

For those who derided the hell out of our returning successful Senator Warnick for having had the gall to express his own faith in his celebratory speech and thus take great offense at my quite reflexive abbreviated reaction to this, sorry, NOT SORRY.

This is horrendous.

bucolic_frolic

(43,195 posts)
2. So there are dystopian right wing groups organized worldwide
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:04 AM
Dec 2022

Why should we be surprised? After all we can't be surprised after Myanmar.

Was Mastriano taking notes on the German plotters?

This was a big operation! 3000 police! Several leaders.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
6. I have mixed emotions hearing this.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:34 AM
Dec 2022

On one hand I am relieved these dangerous people were apprehended and will face justice, but I am unnerved by the global nature of these terrorist plots.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
7. I hope this right wing terrorist plot will make the SPD...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:56 AM
Dec 2022

... realize that Russia is not their friend.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/germany-russia-nord-stream-pipeline.html


Gerhard Schröder Merkel's predecessor was on the board of gazprom.


And we can't let Merkel and the CDU off the hook here either. She was Chancellor when the first pipeline was completed, making in Germany depended on Russia for energy. Why she was a stable leader for Germany, and help lead the democratic order while Trump was normalizing authoritarianism, the pipeline was her biggest mistake in my opinion.

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