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No turkey without Alice. Demz da Rulz. (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 OP
definitely. barbtries Nov 2012 #1
You haven't lived till you see him do it live... 1monster Nov 2012 #2
One of the iconic movies of my youth. zeemike Nov 2012 #3
Alice's Restaurant Massacre - Illustrated version Tx4obama Nov 2012 #4
Hahahaaa! That's great. Thanks! n/t ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #6
Thanks for posting. My family really enjoyed watching this. n/t KegCreekDem Nov 2012 #21
My wonderful local NPR station played this today while I was out on my 6 mile walk... hlthe2b Nov 2012 #5
Thank you for putting this on here. I forgot to listen to this year but it's tridition. Harriety Nov 2012 #7
Just finished playing it... WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2012 #8
right on rule. one I follow. Coyotl Nov 2012 #9
Same as the one posted in comment #4. You had me going there for a sec, thought you found ... Tx4obama Nov 2012 #10
This is spreading around FB too. Coyotl Nov 2012 #11
But alas Arlo went to the other side and is a happily registered Republican. grantcart Nov 2012 #12
I'm sure he didn't vote for Mitt union_maid Nov 2012 #13
He darn sure doesn't sound like a Repuke. ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #15
He registered Republican and has confirmed it several times. grantcart Nov 2012 #17
For some reason Arlo's defection from progressive politics really bothered me so grantcart Nov 2012 #19
No!!! Say it ain't so, Ar-loooo. Towlie Nov 2012 #16
Was that Zappa in the video? jerseyjack Nov 2012 #14
Love the song. But, I do wonder why his sister Nora gave Woody's poems to mucifer Nov 2012 #18
I assume that it was a consensus decision, it appears that all of Woody's works grantcart Nov 2012 #20

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
5. My wonderful local NPR station played this today while I was out on my 6 mile walk...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:43 PM
Nov 2012

It made me smile, even if my feet hurt!

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
8. Just finished playing it...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

for like the 3rd time...gotta put it on "repeat".

Nothing like Thanksgiving cooking, "Alice", and a glass of wine. And herbs.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
10. Same as the one posted in comment #4. You had me going there for a sec, thought you found ...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:54 PM
Nov 2012

another one - LOL



grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. But alas Arlo went to the other side and is a happily registered Republican.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:40 PM
Nov 2012


Broke my heart think it would have broken Woody's too.



Wonder how he like ole Mitt.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
13. I'm sure he didn't vote for Mitt
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:11 PM
Nov 2012

He's a bit of contrarian and a lot of a libertarian. He claimed that he registered Republican because the Democratic party already had lots of good people in it and the Republican party needed some - or something to that effect. His wife - who died about a month before this election - and daughters have been vocal Obama supporters. He outlines his views on government - and they still sound Democratic enough - in this interview for a kids' radio show just last summer.


grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. He registered Republican and has confirmed it several times.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:18 AM
Nov 2012


He has not, to my knowledge ever said anything in the least that supports President Obama.



He has registered to stand with the party whose platform is dictated by Rush Limbaugh.




If he wanted to be a libertarian then he could have registered Libertarian.




grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. For some reason Arlo's defection from progressive politics really bothered me so
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nov 2012

I spent an hour last night goggling Arlo Guthrie and "Obama", "Democrats" and so on.


1) He is no friend of Democrats. Try and find any positive statement he has made about any Democrat. Can't find a single statement he has made about the President, putting down the birthers, etc, even though he has a community discussion site arlo.net that has active political discussions.

2) The "good people in the Republican Party" is, IMO, a ruse. If you are going to be a progressive Republican and make it a better "opposition party" then you would actually have to stand up and say something when it did something that you disagreed with.

3) Yes he is a Libertarian Republican but it is interesting that he doesn't join the Libertarian Party in hopes of a utopian society but joins the Republican Party during the heart of the Iraqi war. (Shades of Phil Henrie?)

4) He has effusive praise for Ron Paul. Not just a cool guy on foreign policy but something to the effect that RP is the only candidate around who would have signed the constitution, real fervent affection type stuff.

5) He does political rants. He uses RW formulas like being against "big government". He is against the Democratic Party's agenda of universal health care and modest wealth 'redistribution'.

Here is an example of one of his long rants. Frankly it shows a rather incoherent mind. He consistently rails against big government. He is critical of the Republican Party for supporting big government (!) but wonders why the Republican Party doesn't build the infrastructure for flying cars:



http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/07/26/hey-arlo-the-times-they-are-a-changin/

What’s up with rebuilding infrastructure? The best way to insure we’ll have a 20th century transportation system in the 21st century is to rebuild the existing infrastructure. I thought by now we’d be flying around in personal (automobile-size) vehicles. There’s no reason we can’t be building vehicles that use magnetic fields for flight and navigation… okay maybe I’m getting ahead of things. The point is that it seems easier to get to the freaking moon than it does to get from coast to coast. Who’s thinking about that stuff? Constantly widening roads and bridges that devour the land with all the intersecting attributes of the same chains of crappola shops and fast (nutritionally worthless genetically modified and just plain bad) food restaurants can’t be the next best hope for our nation’s infrastructure. That, to me, should be a Republican concern.



6) Now the interesting thing about that link is that it is in a RW column. AG actually joins the column not to make a major clarification but to clarify that he is "not anti union". He doesn't bother to make any other clarifications to the conservatives that are celebrating his joining their ranks.



I am certainly not anti-union. That would be, to me, anti-American. I am for the right to join in with others when it seems to have mutual benefit, and equally for the right to do things individually. I am against bullying by anyone or any group. Also, I have been a Ron Paul supporter, but not a follower of anyone. I believe his economic principles have a value to the current discussion of the economic crises. I remain a ‘we’re all in the same boat’ kind of guy – which Pete Seeger and others like my father have always been. I was just singing with Pete the other day doing his song ‘Turn, Turn, Turn.” There’s times to let sleeping dogs alone, and times to wake them up.” I’m for being free to do either and taking responsibility for the choices we make – free to learn from our own experience, as individuals and as a nation.



6) When I listen to the clip that you posted I am struck by how he goes out of his way to affirm his support of ALL individuals. My reading of that is that following his strong support of Paul some of his friends educated him on how Paul is both homophobic and racist. While Arlo Guthrie may be a Republican 90% of his supporters are Democrats and it strikes me that he goes out of his way to say nothing about Democrats, or the President simply not to antagonize them. As for the fact that his children support Obama, so do Nixon's and Reagan's.

7) I still love his music and his dad but there is one thing that really bothers me about Arlo's joining the Republican Party, it's his deceptive way of explaining it:



I became a registered Republican about five or six years ago because to have a successful democracy you have to have at least two parties, and one of them was failing miserably. We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition.



The fact is that according to his time line he joins the Republican Party at the height of its party and when it is engaging in the invasion of Iraq, not when Democrats are in power.

There is a more charitable explanation for this.

He is a guy whose whole life and livelihood is based in part on his father's legacy. Yes he has his own breakout as a youth, but after a few years half of his act is playing his father's songs and half from his early years. Unlike Simon or Dylan there is no big second or third act.

Woody Guthrie was passionate about helping the poor, and the suffering as a cause but on the other hand he fathered 9 children and was not a good father, having very little contact at all with his first three children:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/07/11/DI2006071100333.html

Ed Cray: In an interview with me as I was writing "Ramblin' Man," Arlo told me he never had an adult conversation with his father -- a statement I find terribly revealing and poignant. My guess is that Arlo followed the mythic Woody rather than the real man into performing. About the only thing I think Arlo learned from his father was the adoption of a stage persona. Arlo, born in Brooklyn, given speech lessons by an Englishwoman to eradicate the accent, bar mitzvahed on the Lower East Side, somehow acquired an Oklahoma drawl! At home, I am told by a daughter, he speaks unaccented English with good grammar.



So perhaps Woody has a somewhat jaded view of his father tempered with sympathy for the Huntington's that contributed to his psychiatric problems that made home life difficult.

In the quote above Arlo states There’s times to let sleeping dogs alone, and times to wake them up.” I’m for being free to do either and taking responsibility for the choices we make . So the most charitable way of understanding Guthrie's Republican affiliation is to understand it as stand against the "Ramblin Man" part of his father's legacy and his standing up for personal responsibility and being a good husband and father, which by all accounts he is.

That's the interpretation I choose to live with. Like a lot of enlightened Republican parents who make a stand for personal responsibility they end up raising great Democratic Children.

BTW I found this great website about Woody run by Arlo's sister.

http://www.woodyguthrie.org/biography/biography1.htm#

mucifer

(23,547 posts)
18. Love the song. But, I do wonder why his sister Nora gave Woody's poems to
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012

Jeff Tweedy and Billy Bragg and not to her brother for the "Mermaid Ave" album. I guess maybe Arlo didn't want to write the music to the poems.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. I assume that it was a consensus decision, it appears that all of Woody's works
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

remain in a trust for all of the Children.


You may be interested in Nora's website and foundation devoted to her father's legacy


http://www.woodyguthrie.org/biography/biography1.htm#
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