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A federal judge ruled Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming two Georgia election workers by repeatedly claiming the women were manipulating 2020 ballots. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports and is joined by former civil prosecutor Maya Wiley and former criminal prosecutor Jessica Roth.
Zambero
(9,924 posts)Drink to excess and then some. He's exercised extremely bad judgment for years, and there doesn't appear to be a cure. Well, perhaps there is one. Brain and liver cells can only endure so much.
Rhiannon12866
(250,553 posts)Which involves periodic testing, treatment, community service and required attendance at AA meetings - in lieu of jail. Sounds like Rudy is a candidate if he's still a citizen of New York.
4lbs
(7,395 posts)I would love it if Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shaye Moss were awarded that apartment as compensation.
They could then turn right around and sell it for say, $4 million.
Or better yet, they are awarded $4 million in a settlement and Rudy has to sell that apartment for said amount to pay them.
Either way would work for me.
Rhiannon12866
(250,553 posts)So he may have no other choice! I agree, that would be justice for ruining the lives of two poll workers - who stepped up to the plate and volunteered during Covid!
4lbs
(7,395 posts)In a civil lawsuit, with the winner's award, the 'loser' has up to 7 years to pay and often appeals and such, delaying the monies as much as possible. Then the award is subject to various income tax laws. The "loser" can also sometimes try to declare bankruptcy and the award winner would be placed at the end of a list of creditors.
However, if one side settles with the other, then the payment is almost immediate, there is no appeal, no bankruptcy, and the amount is NOT subject to income taxes by the winner. The 'loser' often has to pay such taxes.
Rhiannon12866
(250,553 posts)"America's Mayor..." I have Mary Trump's book and she goes through many of the egregious policies he instituted - with his police commissioner - while in office.
4lbs
(7,395 posts)Personally, when was a kid in junior high, I came home one day and found that my father was 'beat up'. His arm was in a sling, his nose was bloodied and missing a chunk of skin, and his front teeth were missing. He normally rode his bicycle to work daily. Well, that day, a person in a car ran a stop sign and plowed into him. The driver stopped, presumably there were a lot of witnesses around, and he didn't want to add a felony charge of hit-and-run. I wonder if he would have stopped if there was no one around to 'see it'. In any case, my father suffered a broken collarbone, broken shoulder, broken and scraped nose, bruised ribs, bruised jaw, scraped arm, and his front teeth on the upper jaw were knocked out from the impact. His helmet saved his life, because it ended up being cracked, essentially broken in half, and no longer usable.
After healing for two months, he sued the driver and that guy's insurance company, with his own personal injury lawyers, for about $250K.
It took a few more months, but he finally settled for $30,000 + time, medical and dental costs for the injury for the next 2 years.
My dad's lawyers said that the settlement was recommended, because at that point, he was nearly completely healed and suffered little lingering effects. It would have been difficult to show $250K worth of injury damage in court. So, they took the money after some negotiating with the insurance carrier. They notified the defendants and the court on Tuesday. By Friday, a few days later, my father received a call from his lawyers that he could pick up his $20,000 check. His lawyers said that they received payment for $30,000 from the insurance company the day before, and, minus their 1/3 contingency, they had a cashier's check for $20K waiting for him.
My father was also reimbursed for all the medical expenses and time off, as well as having dental work to put in an upper bridge to replace his missing teeth. It all turned out to be about another $15K at that point. He never had to pay any sort of federal or state income taxes on any of that. The full $20K + $15K were his free and clear. This was in the early 1980s.
Professionally, I worked for a company that was negotiating a buyout from (at the time large) company Blockbuster, the owners of Blockbuster Video. They agreed contractually on $50 million. I was getting ready to cash in all my stock options in anticipation of a large buyback purchase of stock. Then, Blockbuster reneged on the deal and my company sued them for breach of contract. They eventually won in court for the original $50 million agreed upon. However, a month after the judgment, Blockbuster declared bankruptcy. So, we had that "win", but little else. This was 20+ years ago.
I believe the movie "The Rainmaker" starring Matt Damon and Claire Danes, also deals with something like this. A civil trial where the 'winner' gets no money at the end because the 'defendant' and 'loser' declares bankruptcy.
Legally, I was seated as a juror on a civil trial where a group of homeowners, each having purchased homes in the $500K range, sued the developer for about $5 million. They alleged that the developer used substandard materials and methods, and that their homes after several years, began to "fall apart" and the homes began to really falter, with noticeable cracks and chips. Brand new homes looked like they were 100+ years old because of that. Thus, the suit had those 10 homeowners at $500K each. They wanted to be refunded the original purchase price.
They ended up settling for I guess $1 million or so + legal fees, as the developer agreed to pay for any retrofitting and house work needed for the next 2 years to bring those homes up to safety code. This was about 10 years ago.
Rhiannon12866
(250,553 posts)And the thing about the poll workers, because this became a national story, what TFG and Rudy said about them is all on news footage. I don't think he stands a chance of ignoring this, but you're right, they may not get the amount that they sued for. Plus, Rudy doesn't have it.