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RandySF

(59,547 posts)
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:25 PM May 2019

Star Trek Star Leonard Nimoy's Widow Says He Asked for Nurses' Assistance to End His Life

Leonard Nimoy, the actor who originated the role of Star Trek’s Mr. Spock, died in 2015 at the age of 83 from complications related to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). In a new interview, Nimoy’s widow, Susan Bay, says Nimoy sought the aid of his nurses to end his life.

Nimoy went public with his illness in 2014 after being spotted at an airport in a wheelchair. The condition was blamed on years of smoking despite Nimoy having quit 30 years prior. He dedicated the rest of his life to a public campaign encouraging others to kick the habit, but his condition worsened.

"You cannot catch your breath," Bay tells Inside Edition, "He couldn't go out. For him to go from the parking lot to the movie theater, forget it.

"He was on a campaign to use his profile and make people think twice about lighting up," Bay continues. She then goes on to describe Nimoy’s final days, saying that Nimoy told her it was time and asked for the help of his nurses.

"He didn't want to be confined to a wheelchair and not able to breathe," Bay said. "[Nimoy’s nurses] keep adding a little more morphine over the period. He was in such a compromised situation that it did not take long. I believe in dying with dignity. Leonard believed ... in dying with dignity."



https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/05/05/star-trek-leonard-nimoy-nurses-assisted-death/

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Star Trek Star Leonard Nimoy's Widow Says He Asked for Nurses' Assistance to End His Life (Original Post) RandySF May 2019 OP
May his spirit... 3catwoman3 May 2019 #1
I wonder how many people would be less afraid of dying if they, and not doctors, controlled the in2herbs May 2019 #2
I have never onethatcares May 2019 #5
Nimoy's nurses kept adding morphine? Grins May 2019 #3
He may have been in palliative care lunatica May 2019 #4
Thank you for the common sense reply Dixc May 2019 #7
Thank you, lunatica! pazzyanne May 2019 #12
Morphine is also given because it decreases the sensations of not being able to breathe. LastDemocratInSC May 2019 #16
My mother had palliative care then a week later she had hospice blueinredohio May 2019 #17
legal in CA Larrybanal May 2019 #8
I voted for this in California. As long as someone's mind is legally sound, they should be able to iluvtennis May 2019 #11
They increased the morphine over time. The argument they were managing pain is reasonable tymorial May 2019 #10
I had to have my sweet dog put to sleep last week. It was a beautiful experience. pdsimdars May 2019 #6
ill never understand iamthebandfanman May 2019 #9
A body's organs are shutting down, the need for food and water goes away. Lars39 May 2019 #13
I don't know if this will help you or not. pazzyanne May 2019 #14
I agree people should be able to chose when they're ready to die. blueinredohio May 2019 #18
I have COPD and I quit smoking in 2005. It's awful. Faygo Kid May 2019 #15
COPD is nasty stuff. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #19

in2herbs

(2,947 posts)
2. I wonder how many people would be less afraid of dying if they, and not doctors, controlled the
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:07 PM
May 2019

when and where?

onethatcares

(16,204 posts)
5. I have never
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:26 PM
May 2019

attempted to use the drug, heroin.

If I am at the point in my life that I want out, I should have the right to pave the way on my terms.

Grins

(7,246 posts)
3. Nimoy's nurses kept adding morphine?
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:11 PM
May 2019
"[Nimoy’s nurses] keep adding a little more morphine over the period."

I'm not a lawyer, but that's a sentence that should have never been written. For the sake of his nurse's or the hospital in which he received care. There is some Reich-wing Evangelical nutbag out there that could make a royal and legal stink about that (See also, Schiavo, Terri). Unless it is a member of their own family, of course (See, DeLay, Tom).



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. He may have been in palliative care
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:21 PM
May 2019

It’s a time when the patient is going to die. The family is given morphine for the family to administer at the end of life under instruction from the doctors and nurses. One of the important decisions when someone is dying of a painful disease is the alleviation of that pain. There is no reason to force a terminally ill person to experience pain.

Dixc

(52 posts)
7. Thank you for the common sense reply
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:45 PM
May 2019

In my experience, the nurses "advised" increased pain relief when the end was near. It was the last way for me to help my loved one.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
12. Thank you, lunatica!
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:16 PM
May 2019

Was just going to say this myself. My brother was in hospice the last 3 months of his life. He had a lot of pain (from cancer - Also a heavy smoker in his earlier life). He was given control of the PRN morphine so he could decide when it was time for his next dose and not be dependent on waiting for his next prescribed dose. My family was more than happy to have this option available to him. And yes, the nurses did bring it in to him when he asked for it.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,653 posts)
16. Morphine is also given because it decreases the sensations of not being able to breathe.
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:31 PM
May 2019

It doesn't change the fact that the person can't breathe but it relieves the sensations and anxiety.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
17. My mother had palliative care then a week later she had hospice
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

she didn't receive morphine until she was on hospice.

 

Larrybanal

(227 posts)
8. legal in CA
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:46 PM
May 2019

death with dignity is legal in CA and I know several people who were in hospice and offered the slow morphine way out...all but one took that option...one person was so far gone he had no idea what was happening but his ex insisted on keeping him miserable for far too long

iluvtennis

(19,891 posts)
11. I voted for this in California. As long as someone's mind is legally sound, they should be able to
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:03 PM
May 2019

decide if they want to leave this earth in dignity.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
10. They increased the morphine over time. The argument they were managing pain is reasonable
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:53 PM
May 2019

It became legal in California later that year anyway. No one is going to bring charges. Still I do understand your point of view. Making this assertion could cause questions to be raised by local law authorities

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
6. I had to have my sweet dog put to sleep last week. It was a beautiful experience.
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:45 PM
May 2019

She was given a shot that put her 'on cloud nine' and when totally relaxed given the final intravenous injection. I was laying right beside her and she just went into a peaceful sleep.
Now, if we can do that to our pets, why can't we help our loved ones? And also, if they are going to put prisoners to death, why can't they go that easily? It is crazy.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
9. ill never understand
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:52 PM
May 2019

why we cant stomach euthanasia for folks who have fatal illnesses that dont want to go through the pain of dying that way. i mean my god we do it for our pets so they dont live in agony.. wheres the disconnect there?

btw, im not a big fan of organisations like Hospice. I know they do some good work, but given my first hand experience i think they are nuts. i dont mind that fact they convinced my grandma to stop taking treatments and pass.. something im okay with, even if guided in that direction.. but its how she was treated in the hospital that disturbed me. they literally cut off your food and water and wait for you to die from it. like, what ? how is that non-painful ?? id rather take a bullet to the head than lay in a hospital bed for a week and half slowing dying from lack of nutrition .. which by that point my grandmother was unable to communicate to the people around her. i feel like they just wanted her to die as quick as possible to get her out of the hospice room in the hospital.
maybe im wrong.. sure feels like im not.
she didnt need to go through that while dying. its cruel (imho).

Lars39

(26,117 posts)
13. A body's organs are shutting down, the need for food and water goes away.
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:21 PM
May 2019

Others can probably describe what happens much better.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
14. I don't know if this will help you or not.
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:25 PM
May 2019

Often times toward end of life, food and liquids cause discomfort, sometimes severe, and the patient loses interest in both. That is because the body's organs are shutting down and can no longer cope with processing food and liquids. It is, in many ways, an act of compassion. I don't know the circumstances for your grandmother, and it does differ from person to person. Just wanted to explain the reason this is done sometimes.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
18. I agree people should be able to chose when they're ready to die.
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:54 PM
May 2019

I'm sorry for what your grandmother went through. We were lucky enough to keep my mother a t home while in hospice. They showed us how to give the medicines and they said if she will eat or drink ANYTHING give it to her.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
15. I have COPD and I quit smoking in 2005. It's awful.
Sun May 5, 2019, 05:29 PM
May 2019

That was after 37 years of smoking. Oops! I also have neuropathy, so I spend lots of time indoors with my friends here on DU, after a very active and physical life. It is what it is.

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