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mopinko

(70,099 posts)
4. yeah, that's why foxes make bad pets. you cant housebreak them.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:16 AM
Oct 2019

i was wondering about that, because years ago the soviets ran a genetic experiment to breed fur fox by temperament. they mated the aggressive w the aggressive and the tame w the tame. in something like 10 generations, they had a tame fox. and some bad ass killer foxes.
the really interesting thing is that in the same generation, the coloring broke down. mutations galore.

i follow a couple of exotic vets on fb, and one posted a pic of someone's artic fox. so i asked about this. i was told that those russian foxes are out there, and people go to great lengths to get them, but because they are territory markers they cant be housebroken.

bummer. i wonder how many generations it would take to do that.

Demovictory9

(32,454 posts)
5. youtubers with exotic pets (foxes, raccoons, possums, etc) lots of warnings - they aren't for everyo
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:21 AM
Oct 2019

everyone. warn people not to get them as pets

mopinko

(70,099 posts)
6. yeah, even parrots, people get them for the wrong reasons.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:27 AM
Oct 2019

my vet is an old friend. he treats everything. but i hear the stories.

i'm a critter person. i get it. but i dont do stupid. lorikeets and house chickens is as far as i go.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
7. This was a classic, valuable experiment about canine domestication...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
Oct 2019

I remember that experiment being about breeding for sociability towards humans. I don't remember selecting for the aggression part.

The interesting thing is over the generations... They noticed that with sociability toward humans came physical changes in coloration, tail curliness, etc. The temperament and physical changes were due to mutations of course, but selecting for sociability was also unintentionally selecting for changes in physical characteristics... meaning the genes for sociability were closely linked to genes for physical characteristics.

Scientists theorized the current massive physical variations among domestic dog breeds came about because of human selective pressure for social dogs over 40,000 years since the grey wolf.

mopinko

(70,099 posts)
8. hmmm. your last statement seems wrong. dogs werent bred for personality.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

they were bred for jobs.
iirc, the roman war dogs are considered the first to be bred for a job, and it wasnt a sociable one. their physical attributes are related to their tasks and their environments.

but yeah, that bit about the physical traits and temperament breaking in the same generation was fascinating. they were so cute.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
9. Sociability may be the wrong word...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 10:22 AM
Oct 2019

...but, definitely the ability to get along with humans, trainability, intelligence.

The line between companionship and work is blurry.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
3. Never have seen a Fennec before and never this combo of cuteness as the funny fox and the
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:12 AM
Oct 2019

handsome, nonchalant Siberian Husky. Well, they both were pretty casual. No fear in the fox.

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