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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 02:51 PM Nov 2019

What Was on the Menu at the First Thanksgiving?

Today, the traditional Thanksgiving dinner includes any number of dishes: turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, candied yams, cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. But if one were to create a historically accurate feast, consisting of only those foods that historians are certain were served at the so-called “first Thanksgiving,” there would be slimmer pickings. “Wildfowl was there. Corn, in grain form for bread or for porridge, was there. Venison was there,” says Kathleen Wall. “These are absolutes.”

These staples were part of the harvest celebration shared by the Pilgrims and Wampanoag at Plymouth Colony in 1621. Edward Winslow, an English leader who attended, wrote home to a friend: “Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruit of our labors. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week ... many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which they brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others.”

William Bradford, the governor Winslow mentions, also described the autumn of 1621, adding, “And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to that proportion.” (Turkey was not the centerpiece of the meal, as it is today .... goose or duck was the wildfowl of choice)

White potatoes, originating in South America, and sweet potatoes, from the Caribbean, had yet to infiltrate North America. Also, there would have been no cranberry sauce. It would be another 50 years before an Englishman wrote about boiling cranberries and sugar into a “Sauce to eat with. . . .Meat.” Says Wall: “If there was beer, there were only a couple of gallons for 150 people for three days.” She thinks that to wash it all down the English and Wampanoag drank water.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-was-on-the-menu-at-the-first-thanksgiving-511554/

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What Was on the Menu at the First Thanksgiving? (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 OP
They were looking forward to a great feast of eagle tirebiter Nov 2019 #1
Yeah, but that wasn't the first Thanksgiving. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #2
"When Was the First Thanksgiving Celebrated?" left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #3
They didn't call it Thanksgiving moose65 Nov 2019 #5
Interesting, thank you! Ohiogal Nov 2019 #4
MRE's Submariner Nov 2019 #6

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
1. They were looking forward to a great feast of eagle
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 02:58 PM
Nov 2019

Brut the cooks screwed up and filled the turkey with stuffing so they made the best of things.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,429 posts)
2. Yeah, but that wasn't the first Thanksgiving.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 02:59 PM
Nov 2019

Full disclosure: I added this text -- I had left this box empty -- after LoC had replied. I'm at work.

The First Thanksgiving Took Place in Virginia, not Massachusetts
WRITTEN BY MATT BLITZ | PUBLISHED ON NOVEMBER 18, 2015

Years of elementary school history lessons taught us that Plymouth, Massachusetts, was the site of the first Thanksgiving. Those lessons were false. A year and 17 days before those Pilgrims ever stepped foot upon New England soil, a group of English settlers led by Captain John Woodlief landed at today’s Berkeley Plantation, 24 miles southwest of Richmond. After they arrived on the shores of the James River, the settlers got on their knees and gave thanks for their safe passage. There was no traditional meal, no lovefest with Native Americans, no turkey. America’s first Thanksgiving was about prayer, not food.

On September 16th, 1619, the Margaret departed Bristol, England, bound for the New World. Aboard the 35-foot-long ship were 35 settlers, a crew, five “captain’s assistant”, a pilot, and Woodlief, a much-experienced survivor of the 1609/1610 Jamestown’s “Starving Time.” The mission of those aboard Margaret was to settle 8,000 acres of land along the James River that had been granted to them by the London-based Berkeley Company. They were allowed to build farms, storehouses, homes, and a community on company land. In exchange, they were contracted as employees, working the land and handing over crops and profits to the company.

After a rough two-and-a-half months on the Atlantic, the ship entered the Chesapeake Bay on November 28, 1619. It took another week to navigate the stormy bay, but they arrived at their destination, Berkeley Hundred, later called Berkeley Plantation, on December 4. They disembarked and prayed. Historians think there was nothing but old ship rations to eat, so the settlers may have concocted a meal of oysters and ham out of necessity rather than celebration. At the behest of written orders given by the Berkeley Company to Captain Woodlief, it was declared that their arrival must “be yearly and perpetually kept holy as a day of Thanksgiving to Almighty God.” And that’s exactly what they did–for two years. On March 22, 1622, the Powhatan, who’d realized the settlers intended to expand their territory and continue their attempts to convert and “civilize” them, attacked Berkeley and other settlements, killing 347. Woodlief survived, but soon after, Berkeley Hundred was abandoned. For three centuries, Virginia’s first Thanksgiving was lost to history.

Graham Woodlief is a direct descendant of Captain Woodlief. While he’s known his family’s history since being a teenager, he’s devoted a considerable amount of energy to research since he retired in 2009. Today, Woodlief is president of the Virginia Thanksgiving Festival, which has been held annually since 1958. Woodlief says he thinks the major reason that Plymouth, and not Berkley, is universally thought to be the site of the first Thanksgiving is that “they had better PR than we did.” He also said the emphasis on prayer, instead of Plymouth’s festive harvest meal, also made Virginia’s Thanksgiving a bit less appealing, though more accurate. “In fact, most Thanksgivings in the early days were religious services, not meals,” Woodlief says.
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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. "When Was the First Thanksgiving Celebrated?"
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 03:07 PM
Nov 2019
"This feast most likely happened sometime between September and November of 1621."

https://historyofmassachusetts.org/the-first-thanksgiving/

In 1621, when their labors were rewarded with a bountiful harvest after a year of sickness and scarcity, the Pilgrims gave thanks to God and celebrated His bounty in the Harvest Home tradition with feasting and sport (recreation).

https://www.plimoth.org/learn/just-kids/homework-help/thanksgiving/thanksgiving-history

The first feast was also about giving thanks.
While the 1621 event may not have been called Thanksgiving, the sentiment was certainly present in that historic celebration, just as it would play a defining role in how the tradition developed over the centuries to come.


https://www.history.com/news/first-thanksgiving-colonists-native-americans-men

moose65

(3,166 posts)
5. They didn't call it Thanksgiving
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 04:32 PM
Nov 2019

To the pilgrims, a thanksgiving would have been a solemn day spent in prayer, not a festive time of eating and playing. And, they only did this once. The next year their harvest was terrible. In fact, when the modern Thanksgiving was declared a holiday, the pilgrims had nothing to do with it. They weren’t even included in the celebrations until some businessmen from Plymouth hit upon it as a money-making idea 😁

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