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Akoto

(4,267 posts)
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:31 PM Apr 2021

Video visit with a new doc to discuss medical MJ today. Nervous...

I'm 36 and have been physically disabled with my late teens, with both muscular and neurological pain and other symptoms resulting. It has gotten worse over the years, especially as a few other things have hit me. I've been shoveling down pills from pain management at the university for all that time, and noting that they give me a lot of difficult side effects but no longer adequately address the problems, I have been thinking about medical marijuana for a while. My uncle used it when his neck was shattered and it not only worked great for him, it helped him stop taking the same pain pill I'm on and would like to stop taking. I like that medical MJ is more natural, that the dispensaries monitor the supply to make sure it's safe, and that I can get THC-free versions which will just help the symptoms of my disability.

On the other hand, I'm nervous. I know this is controversial still, especially outside of treating things like cancer, despite being so very well researched. It's legal statewise here in FL, but not federally (yet). And, there's always that worry that it won't work but I may develop a dependency to yet another medication.

That leads into the next vent. Being physically disabled, I live at home, which means my parents are still involved in my health. They are vehemently against my using medical marijuana, my mother especially. It basically gets down to 1. she is coronaphobic and thinks I'll bring it home from the dispensary, and 2. she thinks it's going to be a failure, that it won't help me get off of any meds, and that I'll just end up "addicted" (she refuses to accept that addiction and dependency are medically different terms) to yet another thing. My father has been much less outraged about it, even said he understood why I'd want to try it, but standing my ground has led to my mother basically not speaking to me. She has declared, and so my dad has fallen in line, that I can talk to the new doc and buy the license but I'll have to move out if I want to actually use the medical MJ - even if it's not smoked or vaped.

All this after my pain management specialist said he was absolutely for it, and my pain psychiatrist (who is also the director of an alcohol/drug rehab center) also said the same and that he gave his blessing, believing I did not have an addictive personality or history and could handle it.

So, I just needed to vent. I hope the call goes well, but I wonder if it was worth it, especially because of the family consequences. Oy.

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Video visit with a new doc to discuss medical MJ today. Nervous... (Original Post) Akoto Apr 2021 OP
You're an adult Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #1
Unfortunately, I can't drive due to my issue, so they'd know by having to take me... Akoto Apr 2021 #5
Her experience is not yours. Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #6
I take edibles and do 'curbside pickup. Peregrine Took Apr 2021 #2
Do you find it's very expensive? Being on disability, I don't get more than a small stipend. n/t Akoto Apr 2021 #3
NC has no dispensaries, because RJR Reynolds... Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #7
I had to do the sane process here in the UK Layzeebeaver Apr 2021 #4
Well, I had the call... Akoto Apr 2021 #8

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
1. You're an adult
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:50 PM
Apr 2021

You're also mentally competent, and your mother is not your conservator. Doctor patient privilege applies here, too.
If you take MMJ via gummy or edible, how will she know? It's the smoking in the house she objects to, you can go outside, or make yourself a smoking room in the garage, thick with blankets to absorb the smoke. Vaping won't leave that tell tale weed smell.

It's not the smell you're mother's objecting too, though. SHe doen't seem to care if the doctor loads you up on vicodin or oxy's, but weed, which is not addictive like alcohol or opioids, carries with it that 60s counter culture hippie rebel vibe. It's judgmental hypocrisy based on her values, not your medical needs.

Get a license, buy the gummies.

Akoto

(4,267 posts)
5. Unfortunately, I can't drive due to my issue, so they'd know by having to take me...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:25 PM
Apr 2021

I think it gets down to:

1. She had a bad experience (I guess a dangerous hallucination) with MJ when she was young, and she sees that happening to me, even though I've assured it's so unlikely without the THC.

2. I'm on a lot of meds, even I acknowledge that (it's why I'm hoping the MJ might help me detox from a few), and she thinks it won't work and I'll also not manage to wean off of any meds. In other words, she thinks it's going to be another drug on the pile.

3. There's the financial side, which is valid. I get a three digit stipend to live on and that's it. I go into this not knowing what the supply will cost, but absolutely knowing my insurance won't pay for it.

4. With regard to smoking, she doesn't want second hand exposure. That's fine, I'd smoke it outside. So, it then becomes that smoking it will give me lung cancer. I explain I can vape it, eat it, all kinds of other ways. Circle back to new addiction.

The last month waiting has driven me

Being unable to hide it - and unwilling, I have the support of two trusted specialists - I'll also have to go live somewhere else if I want to use the license. That's her stance and dad has fallen into line with it just to keep her content. Coronavirus has done a real number on her nerves, but I think kicking me out knowing I really can't manage as a disabled person is her way to "win" the contest. Just my honest, private perspective.

I dunno, but I've paid, so I'm certainly having the appointment! I told her she can be there for it, and the doc's assistant has said the doc will happily answer every concern and question she has. What else can I do, right?

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
6. Her experience is not yours.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:38 PM
Apr 2021

CBD and THC free cannabis are not going to cause hallucinations.

I've never, ever hallucinated on weed--that sounds very Reefer madness to me.

Edible don't leave second hand smoke. CBD will not get you baked. SHe's objecting to something besides what you seek from your doctor. SHe's putting her foot down and insisting you not do what you weren't going to do.

DId your mother go to medical school? Is the a palliative care doctor? If the goal is to get of opioids (an assumption), then CBD may help. She's a hypocrite, because Opioids, even though prescribed, are highly addictive. CBD is not.

Edibles. They come in bottles that look like medicine bottles. Capsules. As far as I see, you have a doctor's appointment with a specialist to discuss YOUR pain management. Not hers. Yours.

CBD is not illegal. And you are not 15.

You assuaged her concerns about second hand smoke, then she moved the goal posts and changed the subject to lung cancer. That's nice, but not her initial objection. Frankly, since you're not smoking in the house, and you can take edibles, it's none of her business. WOuld she deny you morphine, too, for your cancer pain, because you might be addicted to it?

Uber. and I'm not sure, but there may be ride programs for low income people on disability.

If you can get a roommate, move out. She's infantilizing you.

Peregrine Took

(7,416 posts)
2. I take edibles and do 'curbside pickup.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:05 PM
Apr 2021

You don't have to go inside at all - they can come out.
Once you have your photo Id official medical marijuana card registered at the local dispensary, You can go to the website and they will give you advice as to what to take.
Then you go there with your card and cash payment and they come out and give you your package.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
7. NC has no dispensaries, because RJR Reynolds...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:44 PM
Apr 2021

When I lived in CA, the dispensary my husband and I used most often had two discounts, well, three: senior, military, and terminal patients got their weed free.

It's the taxes that make dispensary weed high priced. That said, cost is determined by how much medicine you'd need.

I'm baffled that your mom is ok with the Rx drugs of addiction and is not supportive of your desire to not be on them. Weed is not addictive.

Sorry she's being puritanical and hypocritical. Ask her to research all the people addicted to weed, and all the rehab centers for weed, and all the weed overdoses. Ignorance is voluntary.

Layzeebeaver

(1,629 posts)
4. I had to do the sane process here in the UK
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:15 PM
Apr 2021

It's a pain to do it over video - but it totally worth it to achieve a regular prescription.

1. Just go for it. Be honest about your feelings and let the doctor provide some calming advice.

2. Perhaps consider telling your mother that she might be better served to agree to participating in the trial period - say 3 months. You will be under medical supervision for the entirety - in fact if you tell your doctors about your issue with herm they might offer to speak with her directly. If at the conclusion of the trial period you show signs of general improvement, then perhaps her fears can be softened. Perhaps your dad can better support you on this compromise.

I'm not an expert on your situation - I can only reflect on what I might do in a similar circumstance,

Good luck!

Also - remember the THC is for pain management. CBD may provide a calming effect. I'm on 1ml of THC oil daily. Taking in in .25ml doses 4 times a day results in pain reduction without ANY "high". If I decide to take the full 1mg at once, I get a very pleasant euphoria that lasts for a couple of hours. You just have to find out what works best for you.

Akoto

(4,267 posts)
8. Well, I had the call...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 03:12 PM
Apr 2021

It went very well. The doctor was very straightforward, clear, friendly, practical, and very patient. My mom was present. I let my mom ask all of her questions and the doctor gave her very clear answers with promises that she would include research and other things which might reassure her about THC, because for my purposes, she says taking it without THC is pointless.

Summary result: pointless. Mom says I'm just making her upset after the call, that "I win" about this, but I'm leaving to use it. This is after the doctor explained that one can easily make hard candies out of syringe form medical MJ and it's super easy/quick, plus cost effective for someone on a tough budget like mine. Mom says after the fact, "No, it's not being cooked in my kitchen!" I explain that no, it's not cooking, you just put it into a mold and freeze it...

But, there is no winning. If I want to go ahead, which I intend to, then I have to move out. I don't know how I'm going to when there isn't Section 8 housing available for at least a year (I checked recently).

What a nightmare, when I thought the appointment went so well. She answered every question thoroughly, and thought chances were very good I could reduce or eliminate some of my pills, and it was a waste of time as far as convincing my mom.

One way or another though, I'm going to figure out how to go ahead with this.

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