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Baitball Blogger

(46,777 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:39 AM Aug 2012

Parents who allow their boy toddler's hair to grow like a girl's,

do they have the right to get upset when strangers refer to the child as a she?

I mean, how are we suppose to know, especially in this day and age when it's perfectly okay for girls to dress up as boys? I'm sure they get gendered confused too.

The question is, who is in the more right? Does the parent have the right to be offended? Or is it appropriate for the stranger to feel like an oaf?

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Parents who allow their boy toddler's hair to grow like a girl's, (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 OP
my oldest was called a girl. i was not offended. he didnt get it. and i made sure the person did seabeyond Aug 2012 #1
my oldest mzteris Aug 2012 #2
That's a great story. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #4
there is no right to be not offended. leftyohiolib Aug 2012 #3
What's "like a girl's"? Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #5
Hair down to the shoulder blades. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #8
Funny. I had short hair my entire girlhood. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #11
THIS! GObamaGO Aug 2012 #13
It's just the initial impression. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #14
There's a kid on my street OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #6
Thanks. I think you hit all the main concerns. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #9
On the flip side, my daughter had very short, thin, baby fine hair until she was Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #7
I could live with that. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #10
I got confused by a 10 year old Quantess Aug 2012 #12
The only things you can hope to control are YOUR actions/reactions. Heidi Aug 2012 #15
To be fair, I don't think the OP is complaining about that. Quantess Aug 2012 #17
No one should be embarrassed or offended frogmarch Aug 2012 #16
That story is too funny. Your son is very quick witted! mnhtnbb Aug 2012 #18
My grandmother did that with my father. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #19
Girls have always been able to dress like boys, up to a point. Tom boys. But the reverse... Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #20
It's no big deal. That is usu. a testament to how "pretty" the boy is, actually, IMO. Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #21
My youngest had long hair, and he was a pretty little boy who could be mistaken for a girl. I GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #22
Neither should get upset. Just accept the correction and move on. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #23
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. my oldest was called a girl. i was not offended. he didnt get it. and i made sure the person did
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:59 AM
Aug 2012

not feel like an oaf.

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
2. my oldest
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:27 AM
Aug 2012

was mistaken for a girl the whole time we were in Taiwan and China - a few months - and quite frequently in the US - as old as the age of 11-12. Of course he was slightly built, elfin looking, and his blond hair was beautiful and nearly halfway down his back.

He wasn't offended. "It's not an insult, you know." I wasn't offended. We never bothered to correct the Chinese people except the ones we were around a lot. We didn't really bother to correct US strangers, either. And people around him for very long soon figured it out or we told them. No one was made to feel like an oaf. No one was offended.

I'll tell you a little secret. Once, when he was around nine, he had to go the bathroom really really badly. We were in Target or something and the men's room was being cleaned so it was closed. He really was about to "go" in his pants, when I said, hey - everything thinks you're a girl anyway, just use the ladies. So he did. Another funny story, the times he DID go to the men's, a number of men were VERY startled. Some would sternly tell him that it was the men's room. . .

No, those parents really shouldn't be offended. If THEY have a problem with the hair, with the confusion, then cut it. The stranger should never feel badly. Apologize for the confusion, comment on the beautiful hair and the handsome boy, and move on.

Baitball Blogger

(46,777 posts)
4. That's a great story.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:39 AM
Aug 2012

Yeah, the one time it happened to me the mother got upset and made me feel like I had made an enormous faux paus. However, I don't think everything was on the up and up with her. We later got invited over for play days and she would allow her kids to run around stark naked so there were more than a few out of the ordinary experiences.

Maybe she was trying to cement the point? See? "He's a boy you stupid lady!" We stopped hanging around them when someone took money out of her wallet from her Master bedroom and she tactedly tried to pin it on me, but later admitted she had a relative with sticky fingers. However, the next time I came over I saw the camcorder pointed at the Master bedroom with the red light on. There were just too many crazy things that would happen so we quickly washed our hands of that family. Too weird all around.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
11. Funny. I had short hair my entire girlhood.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:19 AM
Aug 2012

Guess I had "boy hair". Pro-tip: hair has no gender. And not all races grow long hair.

Baitball Blogger

(46,777 posts)
14. It's just the initial impression.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:33 AM
Aug 2012

You always want to make a good impression with other parents of young families, and it makes you feel like running off when you step into their hot points on the first meet.

I don't have a problem with men with long hair. They're well represented on bodice ripper books.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
6. There's a kid on my street
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:03 AM
Aug 2012

he's maybe 9 or 10 and he has this incredible, wild mane of blonde hair. Easily the thickest and close to, if not the, longest hair I've ever seen on man or woman or child. When I first started seeing him on the block I thought he was a girl but soon figured out from his playing in the neighborhood with the other kids and hearing him talk that he was a boy.

But I felt pretty stupid for a minute after figuring it out - I've had hair almost to my behind most of my adult life and it was fairly long when I was a little kid (until my mom discovered fundamentalist religion)

But the bottom line is the parents need to understand that observers will make the mistake without meaning harm so if they're going to correct the observer don't do it angrily.

And observers need to understand that if they made the mistake they should accept the correction graciously and not start in with the "That's no way for a boy to look...!" or other nonsense.

And above all else, everyone needs to make sure the kid doesn't feel like he's done anything wrong. Because he hasn't.



eta: And the reverse is true too - our 12 year old granddaughter just got all her hair cut off to a very very short spiky style but she's to the point where folks probably won't mistake her for a boy but if she had done it a year or two ago it would have been a lot tougher to tell. I may be biased but I think she's cute as a button with the short hair and, naturally, support her however she wants to look.

Baitball Blogger

(46,777 posts)
9. Thanks. I think you hit all the main concerns.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:18 AM
Aug 2012

I was reminded by my experience because one of the Olympic women was photographed with her son and he looked just like the boy I knew years ago.

Arkansas Granny

(31,542 posts)
7. On the flip side, my daughter had very short, thin, baby fine hair until she was
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:08 AM
Aug 2012

nearly 5 years old. It just didn't grow. I can't tell you how many people referred to her as "he" even when she was wearing a dress. You just correct them and go on. There's no reason for anyone to be offended.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
12. I got confused by a 10 year old
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:27 AM
Aug 2012

with long, thick, wavy hair, wearing a hot-pink t-shirt. I thought "wow, what a striking looking girl, she looks athletic."

10 minutes later I caught the kid's name...and hesitantly concluded the kid must be a boy.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
15. The only things you can hope to control are YOUR actions/reactions.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

What difference does a child's gender make to you? Why not just stick with "your little one" wihout assigning a gender to others' kids?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
17. To be fair, I don't think the OP is complaining about that.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:39 PM
Aug 2012

The OP is complaining about parents getting defensive about their boy with long hair being called a girl.
I have to agree that it isn't always easy to guess a child's sex, but that it is nothing for a parent to be offended over, if it is an honest mistake.

frogmarch

(12,161 posts)
16. No one should be embarrassed or offended
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:36 PM
Aug 2012

in my opinion.

My younger son wore his hair long until he was in his twentis. His grandparents were always telling him his hair made him look like a girl.

His grandparents went with me to my son’s girlfriend’s high school graduation. My son sat directly in front of us in the bleachers.

Right before the program started, his grandmother reached forward, grabbed hold of a lock of his hair, and said, “I think you should wear a pretty pink bow.”

Knowing she was a staunch Christian, I said to her, “You do know that Jesus is usually shown as having long hair, don’t you?”

My son quickly added “Yeah, and I’ll bet his grandma was always on his case too, saying, ‘Jesus Christ, cut your hair!’”

greatauntoftriplets

(175,771 posts)
19. My grandmother did that with my father.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:17 PM
Aug 2012

She also dressed him in dresses. Until his father objected and hauled him off to the barber.

Of course, this was all about 100 years ago (I was born to older parents).

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Girls have always been able to dress like boys, up to a point. Tom boys. But the reverse...
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:22 PM
Aug 2012

isn't true, past the age of one. Before then, in the old days, boys did indeed dress and look like girls.

I have an old photo of my grandpa, from 1906, as a toddler. He was dressed in a white frilly outfit and had long curls. He looked llike a girl.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. It's no big deal. That is usu. a testament to how "pretty" the boy is, actually, IMO.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:24 PM
Aug 2012

There are some young but very masculine or butch looking little boys that no one would mistake for a girl (unless she were a really ugly girl). But if the boy has pretty eyes, long eyelashes, a delicate nose....that would be different.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,387 posts)
22. My youngest had long hair, and he was a pretty little boy who could be mistaken for a girl. I
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:10 PM
Aug 2012

never got upset if people mistook him for a girl, but it didn't happen too often anyway.

As to whether people felt like an oaf, that's no big deal either. They should't need to feel that way.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
23. Neither should get upset. Just accept the correction and move on.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:59 AM
Aug 2012

I even have to do that with my service dog. For some reason, most people assume she's male and I don't even think she looks remotely like a male - she's tiny for one thing.

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