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highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
14. Yes. From Songfacts:
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 06:15 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/greg-lake-of-emerson-lake-palmer

Songfacts: You've talked about how you wrote the song "Lucky Man" when you were very young. Did the lyrics change over time?

Lake: Strangely enough, no. It always stayed the same. In essence it is a very simplistic little medieval fantasy. So it was, I wrote it when I was 12 years old. And what motivated me really was my mom had just bought me this guitar, and I was really pleased. I'd learned the first four chords. And with these early chords, I just wrote this little song, but I never even wrote it on a piece of paper. I just made it up in my head, and that was it. But for some reason, I never forgot the lyrics. It was many years later when it got recorded on the first ELP record.

The lyrics never changed, but strangely enough, over time the way that people perceived the song changed. Perhaps it was vaguely something to do with the Vietnam War, that period, just at the end of the Vietnam War. Some people associated it with the John F. Kennedy assassination. It had those sort of overtones. So it was connected in a way to an era when there was a lot of war and drama like that. But the lyrics really got interpreted in a way in which I'd never intended them to be, of course, when I wrote it as a young kid.

It happens with a lot of songs. This is one of the reasons why I don't like to discuss lyrics very much, because when you write a song, of course you have your own idea of what is meant by the lyrics, but everyone who listens to it has got their own interpretation, and different people have different feelings about what a song means to them. So for me, once a song is recorded and it goes out into the public domain, it really becomes the possession of the people who listen to it. And, of course, each of them has got their own different version in their own mind of what it does for them. So I don't like to tell people what I think my version is. Because, really, everybody's got their own image of what that is.

debm55

(25,218 posts)
15. Thank you,I touched on that in a lower post about Jesse Collin Young playing Get Together at my
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 06:21 PM
Dec 2022

Wedding Mass.

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
8. Lest anyone believe that Greg Lake and ELP actually believed ...
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 04:37 PM
Dec 2022



Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Infinite Space Lyrics
Artist: Emerson, Lake & Palmer


People are stirred
Moved by the Word
Kneel at the shrine
Deceived by the wine

How was the earth conceived?
Infinite Space
Is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race

Can you believe
God makes you breathe?
Why did he lose
Six million Jews?

Touched by the wings
This angel brings
Sad winter storm
Grey autumn dawn

Who looks on life itself?
Who lights your way?
Only you can say
How can you just obey?

Don't need the word
Now that you've heard
Don't be afraid
Man is man-made

And when the hour comes
Don't turn away
Face the light of day
And do it your way

It's the only way

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
9. Some detailed background on the writing and recording of this song:
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 05:16 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/the-making-of-greg-lake-s-i-believe-in-father-christmas-833/

It’s difficult to sum up the impact of first hearing “I Believe In Father Christmas” as a child in 1975. Greg Lake’s one and only hit solo single defied the jolly party vibe defined by 1973’s Slade shout-along “Merry Christmas Everybody,” while also bringing a subversive political dimension to the traditional “White Christmas”-style ballad. Lyrics that spoke accusingly of an all-powerful “They” who had “sold us a dream of Christmas” and a “fairy story” about “the Israelite” informed you that you’d been brainwashed by commercialism and Christianity. This was before an ironic yet uplifting orchestral motif transported you to a magical Lapland where Santa was still driving a reindeer sleigh piled high with children’s gifts through twinkling snow. Was this record saying that Christmas was great after all? Or nothing more than a soulless sham? And then you saw the video…

-snip-

Greg Lake (singer, guitarist, co-writer, co-producer): I wrote it in my house in west London. I’d tuned the bottom string on my guitar from E down to D and got this cascading riff that you hear on the record. But I couldn’t really place what the song was about. I was out driving one day and it was playing on my mind, and, all of a sudden, it occurred to me that the tune of “Jingle Bells” fitted over it. And I thought, ‘Ah… I wonder if this could be a song about Christmas?’ At the same time, I was working with Pete Sinfield on my solo side of the Works album, and I said to Pete, “I’ve been working on this melodic idea. It could be a Christmas song.”

Peter Sinfield (co-writer, co-producer): No. I remember him playing the riff and me saying it sounds like a Christmas song. Him saying it was not the sort of thing he would do. It’s out of character. Not that it matters. It’s quite amusing that there are two egos here, both of which might supersede the truth.

-snip-

Sinfield: Some of it was based on an actual thing in my life when I was eight-years-old, and came downstairs to see this wonderful Christmas tree that my mother had done. I was that little boy. Then it goes from there into a wider thing about how people are brainwashed into stuff. Then I thought, ‘This is getting a bit depressing. I’d better have a hopeful, cheerful verse at the end.’ That’s the bit where me and Greg would’ve sat together and done it. And then I twisted the whole thing with the last line, “The Christmas you get, you deserve”, which was a play on “The government you get, you deserve”. I didn’t necessarily explain all the politics or the thoughts behind it. It’s not anti-religious. It’s a humanist thing, I suppose. It’s not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said.

-snip-



Greg Lake and Ian Anderson performing the song at St. Bride's Church, London, in 2011:


debm55

(25,218 posts)
11. High, never saw that version in St. Bride's. It is a beautiful Christmas song. Thank you.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 05:49 PM
Dec 2022

Christmas songs don't always have to be in your face. Lake's song/ message was there. At my wedding Mass, I had a group of friends play Jesse Collin Young's song Get Together during the Kiss of Peace. Was it religious, no, but then to my husband and I, it was.
Have a peaceful Christmas.

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
12. More about the song here, from three other websites:
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 05:59 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.goldradiouk.com/features/song-facts/i-believe-in-father-christmas-greg-lake-meaning/

This does cover some of what's in the article in the reply above, but some of it is different, including this:

"There are kind of three versions of Christmas songs," Greg Lake said on a Noddy Holder-fronted Xmas songs rundown.

"One is a sort of religious song. Then you've got the songs which are the party songs. Then you've got songs that are about Christmas... and the song that i wrote is one of those. It is all those mixed emotions that go up to make a very special time."

Peter added to Uncut. "It's not anti-religious. It's a humanist thing, I suppose. It's not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said."


That first paragraph had linked to a YouTube video that unfortunately is no longer there. Noddy Holder was Slade's lead singer and rhythm guitarist, who worked in radio and TV in the UK later.


Songfacts article:

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/greg-lake/i-believe-in-father-christmas

A page on a Greg Lake fan site with audio of him talking about the song, saying it's about the commercialization of Christmas:

http://www.greglake.com/Discography/Discs/disco_11.html#

I found the link to that fan site on Wikipedia, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Believe_in_Father_Christmas .
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