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Greg Lake - I Believe In Father Christmas (Original Version - 4K Restored) (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Dec 2022
OP
Thank you,I touched on that in a lower post about Jesse Collin Young playing Get Together at my
debm55
Dec 2022
#15
See reply 9 for information on this particular song, and a live performance in a church.
highplainsdem
Dec 2022
#10
High, never saw that version in St. Bride's. It is a beautiful Christmas song. Thank you.
debm55
Dec 2022
#11
You, too, Deb. And that's a lovely story about using that Jesse Colin Young song for your wedding.
highplainsdem
Dec 2022
#16
ZZenith
(4,124 posts)1. My favorite Christmas song!
Thank you!
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)4. You're very welcome!
debm55
(25,218 posts)2. Thank you highplainsdemm. Love the song and ELP.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)5. You're welcome! I love them, too.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)3. I love that song.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)6. Me, too. One of the best Christmas songs ever. And a perfect performance.
debm55
(25,218 posts)7. High, read that he wrote Lucky Man when he was 12 yrs. old.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)14. Yes. From Songfacts:
https://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/greg-lake-of-emerson-lake-palmer
Songfacts: You've talked about how you wrote the song "Lucky Man" when you were very young. Did the lyrics change over time?
Lake: Strangely enough, no. It always stayed the same. In essence it is a very simplistic little medieval fantasy. So it was, I wrote it when I was 12 years old. And what motivated me really was my mom had just bought me this guitar, and I was really pleased. I'd learned the first four chords. And with these early chords, I just wrote this little song, but I never even wrote it on a piece of paper. I just made it up in my head, and that was it. But for some reason, I never forgot the lyrics. It was many years later when it got recorded on the first ELP record.
The lyrics never changed, but strangely enough, over time the way that people perceived the song changed. Perhaps it was vaguely something to do with the Vietnam War, that period, just at the end of the Vietnam War. Some people associated it with the John F. Kennedy assassination. It had those sort of overtones. So it was connected in a way to an era when there was a lot of war and drama like that. But the lyrics really got interpreted in a way in which I'd never intended them to be, of course, when I wrote it as a young kid.
It happens with a lot of songs. This is one of the reasons why I don't like to discuss lyrics very much, because when you write a song, of course you have your own idea of what is meant by the lyrics, but everyone who listens to it has got their own interpretation, and different people have different feelings about what a song means to them. So for me, once a song is recorded and it goes out into the public domain, it really becomes the possession of the people who listen to it. And, of course, each of them has got their own different version in their own mind of what it does for them. So I don't like to tell people what I think my version is. Because, really, everybody's got their own image of what that is.
Lake: Strangely enough, no. It always stayed the same. In essence it is a very simplistic little medieval fantasy. So it was, I wrote it when I was 12 years old. And what motivated me really was my mom had just bought me this guitar, and I was really pleased. I'd learned the first four chords. And with these early chords, I just wrote this little song, but I never even wrote it on a piece of paper. I just made it up in my head, and that was it. But for some reason, I never forgot the lyrics. It was many years later when it got recorded on the first ELP record.
The lyrics never changed, but strangely enough, over time the way that people perceived the song changed. Perhaps it was vaguely something to do with the Vietnam War, that period, just at the end of the Vietnam War. Some people associated it with the John F. Kennedy assassination. It had those sort of overtones. So it was connected in a way to an era when there was a lot of war and drama like that. But the lyrics really got interpreted in a way in which I'd never intended them to be, of course, when I wrote it as a young kid.
It happens with a lot of songs. This is one of the reasons why I don't like to discuss lyrics very much, because when you write a song, of course you have your own idea of what is meant by the lyrics, but everyone who listens to it has got their own interpretation, and different people have different feelings about what a song means to them. So for me, once a song is recorded and it goes out into the public domain, it really becomes the possession of the people who listen to it. And, of course, each of them has got their own different version in their own mind of what it does for them. So I don't like to tell people what I think my version is. Because, really, everybody's got their own image of what that is.
debm55
(25,218 posts)15. Thank you,I touched on that in a lower post about Jesse Collin Young playing Get Together at my
Wedding Mass.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)8. Lest anyone believe that Greg Lake and ELP actually believed ...
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Infinite Space Lyrics
Artist: Emerson, Lake & Palmer
People are stirred
Moved by the Word
Kneel at the shrine
Deceived by the wine
How was the earth conceived?
Infinite Space
Is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race
Can you believe
God makes you breathe?
Why did he lose
Six million Jews?
Touched by the wings
This angel brings
Sad winter storm
Grey autumn dawn
Who looks on life itself?
Who lights your way?
Only you can say
How can you just obey?
Don't need the word
Now that you've heard
Don't be afraid
Man is man-made
And when the hour comes
Don't turn away
Face the light of day
And do it your way
It's the only way
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)10. See reply 9 for information on this particular song, and a live performance in a church.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)13. See reply 12 as well, for more on the song.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)9. Some detailed background on the writing and recording of this song:
https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/the-making-of-greg-lake-s-i-believe-in-father-christmas-833/
Greg Lake and Ian Anderson performing the song at St. Bride's Church, London, in 2011:
Its difficult to sum up the impact of first hearing I Believe In Father Christmas as a child in 1975. Greg Lakes one and only hit solo single defied the jolly party vibe defined by 1973s Slade shout-along Merry Christmas Everybody, while also bringing a subversive political dimension to the traditional White Christmas-style ballad. Lyrics that spoke accusingly of an all-powerful They who had sold us a dream of Christmas and a fairy story about the Israelite informed you that youd been brainwashed by commercialism and Christianity. This was before an ironic yet uplifting orchestral motif transported you to a magical Lapland where Santa was still driving a reindeer sleigh piled high with childrens gifts through twinkling snow. Was this record saying that Christmas was great after all? Or nothing more than a soulless sham? And then you saw the video
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Greg Lake (singer, guitarist, co-writer, co-producer): I wrote it in my house in west London. Id tuned the bottom string on my guitar from E down to D and got this cascading riff that you hear on the record. But I couldnt really place what the song was about. I was out driving one day and it was playing on my mind, and, all of a sudden, it occurred to me that the tune of Jingle Bells fitted over it. And I thought, Ah I wonder if this could be a song about Christmas? At the same time, I was working with Pete Sinfield on my solo side of the Works album, and I said to Pete, Ive been working on this melodic idea. It could be a Christmas song.
Peter Sinfield (co-writer, co-producer): No. I remember him playing the riff and me saying it sounds like a Christmas song. Him saying it was not the sort of thing he would do. Its out of character. Not that it matters. Its quite amusing that there are two egos here, both of which might supersede the truth.
-snip-
Sinfield: Some of it was based on an actual thing in my life when I was eight-years-old, and came downstairs to see this wonderful Christmas tree that my mother had done. I was that little boy. Then it goes from there into a wider thing about how people are brainwashed into stuff. Then I thought, This is getting a bit depressing. Id better have a hopeful, cheerful verse at the end. Thats the bit where me and Greg wouldve sat together and done it. And then I twisted the whole thing with the last line, The Christmas you get, you deserve, which was a play on The government you get, you deserve. I didnt necessarily explain all the politics or the thoughts behind it. Its not anti-religious. Its a humanist thing, I suppose. Its not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said.
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Greg Lake (singer, guitarist, co-writer, co-producer): I wrote it in my house in west London. Id tuned the bottom string on my guitar from E down to D and got this cascading riff that you hear on the record. But I couldnt really place what the song was about. I was out driving one day and it was playing on my mind, and, all of a sudden, it occurred to me that the tune of Jingle Bells fitted over it. And I thought, Ah I wonder if this could be a song about Christmas? At the same time, I was working with Pete Sinfield on my solo side of the Works album, and I said to Pete, Ive been working on this melodic idea. It could be a Christmas song.
Peter Sinfield (co-writer, co-producer): No. I remember him playing the riff and me saying it sounds like a Christmas song. Him saying it was not the sort of thing he would do. Its out of character. Not that it matters. Its quite amusing that there are two egos here, both of which might supersede the truth.
-snip-
Sinfield: Some of it was based on an actual thing in my life when I was eight-years-old, and came downstairs to see this wonderful Christmas tree that my mother had done. I was that little boy. Then it goes from there into a wider thing about how people are brainwashed into stuff. Then I thought, This is getting a bit depressing. Id better have a hopeful, cheerful verse at the end. Thats the bit where me and Greg wouldve sat together and done it. And then I twisted the whole thing with the last line, The Christmas you get, you deserve, which was a play on The government you get, you deserve. I didnt necessarily explain all the politics or the thoughts behind it. Its not anti-religious. Its a humanist thing, I suppose. Its not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said.
-snip-
Greg Lake and Ian Anderson performing the song at St. Bride's Church, London, in 2011:
debm55
(25,218 posts)11. High, never saw that version in St. Bride's. It is a beautiful Christmas song. Thank you.
Christmas songs don't always have to be in your face. Lake's song/ message was there. At my wedding Mass, I had a group of friends play Jesse Collin Young's song Get Together during the Kiss of Peace. Was it religious, no, but then to my husband and I, it was.
Have a peaceful Christmas.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)16. You, too, Deb. And that's a lovely story about using that Jesse Colin Young song for your wedding.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)12. More about the song here, from three other websites:
https://www.goldradiouk.com/features/song-facts/i-believe-in-father-christmas-greg-lake-meaning/
This does cover some of what's in the article in the reply above, but some of it is different, including this:
That first paragraph had linked to a YouTube video that unfortunately is no longer there. Noddy Holder was Slade's lead singer and rhythm guitarist, who worked in radio and TV in the UK later.
Songfacts article:
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/greg-lake/i-believe-in-father-christmas
A page on a Greg Lake fan site with audio of him talking about the song, saying it's about the commercialization of Christmas:
http://www.greglake.com/Discography/Discs/disco_11.html#
I found the link to that fan site on Wikipedia, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Believe_in_Father_Christmas .
This does cover some of what's in the article in the reply above, but some of it is different, including this:
"There are kind of three versions of Christmas songs," Greg Lake said on a Noddy Holder-fronted Xmas songs rundown.
"One is a sort of religious song. Then you've got the songs which are the party songs. Then you've got songs that are about Christmas... and the song that i wrote is one of those. It is all those mixed emotions that go up to make a very special time."
Peter added to Uncut. "It's not anti-religious. It's a humanist thing, I suppose. It's not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said."
"One is a sort of religious song. Then you've got the songs which are the party songs. Then you've got songs that are about Christmas... and the song that i wrote is one of those. It is all those mixed emotions that go up to make a very special time."
Peter added to Uncut. "It's not anti-religious. It's a humanist thing, I suppose. It's not an atheist Christmas song, as some have said."
That first paragraph had linked to a YouTube video that unfortunately is no longer there. Noddy Holder was Slade's lead singer and rhythm guitarist, who worked in radio and TV in the UK later.
Songfacts article:
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/greg-lake/i-believe-in-father-christmas
A page on a Greg Lake fan site with audio of him talking about the song, saying it's about the commercialization of Christmas:
http://www.greglake.com/Discography/Discs/disco_11.html#
I found the link to that fan site on Wikipedia, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Believe_in_Father_Christmas .