DU4 development madness continues

[EarlG]

I thought I would share with you an excerpt from an email exchange I just had with Elad, regarding a bug I found on a particular page as we continue work on DU4:

I realized that the post I was replying to when I noticed this bug was a reply to my own OP. So, I tried going to someone else's thread, and could not reproduce the problem. It only happens when I'm replying to a reply to myself. I also tested this by going into a thread by someone else, which I had replied to, and replying to someone who had replied to me. Replying to a reply to me, in that case, did *not* reproduce the problem. It only happens when I'm replying to someone who has replied to my OP.

[elleng]

1. LOL!

Be well!

[BootinUp]

2. .

Made me think of this.

[MontanaMama]

3. Patience is indeed a virtue when it comes to things like this.

Thanks for making DU better...even with this darned bug.

[applegrove]

4. It is beautiful. Thanks for making it sturdy too.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Daily life for programmers: intermittent bugs that defy documentation and logic

I wish you both hot keys and cool tunes.

[CaptainTruth]

13. This reminds me of a problem I had with a program in college.

I don't remember exactly what it was supposed to do but in one specific circumstance it wasn't producing the correct output. I spent days debugging, tracing through the logic step by step, I even retyped it all slowly line by line, to no avail. When the deadline arrived I turned it in to my professor with a summary of what it was doing & the steps I took to try & determine why it wasn't working in that one specific case, & hoped for the best.

Much to my surprise, when I got it back from the professor he had added a note saying he also went through it several times & couldn't find any problems, my code & logic all looked perfect & he was as baffled as I was about why it wasn't returning the correct result. Thankfully he gave me 100% credit for the assignment. It's still a mystery!

[intrepidity]

6. Sounds like a job for AI

Don't know anything about how you guys debug or whatever, but:

https://beta.openai.com/examples

It's the future...

[Cha]

7. Thanks you two for working out

the crazy!

I like that sign.. could I borrow it?

[IcyPeas]

8. sending help:

looking forward to DU4.

[Iggo]

9. Say reply again.

[Hekate]

10. Thanks for keeping us posted! And happy holidays!

[littlemissmartypants]

11. That description has me dizzy. Good luck with your problem solving. Thank you for all you do! ❤️

[Wild blueberry]

12. Thank you both for all your behind-the-scenes work

[TygrBright]

14. Holler if you need betas. And thanks. n/t

[reACTIONary]

15. A corner case. Not a credible fault. nt

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Ha heh ha. Sometimes the bugs win. Software now-a-days is getting so inter-connected,

so tied into so many other software types, that sometimes tracking down the bugs is seemingly impossible. Sometimes you just have to park the error/bug somewhere and ack it, state the possible damage it can do, and just leave it, and perhaps someday, when one has the time and resources, to go back in and research it more.

[KS Toronado]

17. Simple fix, quit talking to yourself!

[mrsadm]

18. Can't thank you enough Earl, it isn't easy!

[debm55]

19. Earl, this may sound stupid, but what is DU4

[druidity33]

20. You're on DU version 3 right now...

DU version 4 is an "upgrade". Well, we'll see about that! Why when i joined this website, we tallied posts with sticks! Emojis? There was no such thing! The DU OG was the goodbad old days, it sure was...

[debm55]

21. Thanks.

[GoneOffShore]

27. I remember that we had to bang the rocks together.

When EarlG and Elad went over to steam power, that was a glorious day.

[nolabear]

22. I thought talking to yourself was a prerequisite around here.

[LudwigPastorius]

23. That email to Elad sounds like it was written by R.D. Laing.

[eppur_se_muova]

24. Sounds an awful lot like "Yes Minister" ... nt

[eppur_se_muova]

25. At least it's not this regulation from Scottish law ...

"In the Nuts (unground), (other than ground nuts) Order, the expression nuts shall have reference to such nuts, other than ground nuts, as would but for this amending Order not qualify as nuts (unground)(other than ground nuts) by reason of their being nuts (unground).... "

[malthaussen]

26. The Beatles have a song for that...

-- Mal

[jmowreader]

28. I have a bizarre request

Can DU4 be set up to allow moderators to move posts from forum to forum? That would end the practice of locking LBN threads that don't meet that forum's requirements - they could just be moved to GD.

[EarlG]

29. Not at launch but maybe in the future

DU2 actually allowed threads to be moved from forum to forum. DU3 removed that ability.

The logic behind our decision to remove that option was pretty straightforward -- if members know that it essentially doesn't matter which forum they post in (because a moderator will always show up and "clean up" after them) then members have no incentive to post in the correct forum in the first place.

This incentivizes members to be less careful about where they post threads (because it doesn't matter) and simultaneously creates more work for moderators who are expected to then "file" everything correctly.

By locking threads which are posted in the wrong place, the onus is placed back on the member who made the post. They are made aware that they posted in the wrong place, and hopefully they will retain that information when posting in future. And if they want their thread to continue, they have to make the effort to go repost in the correct forum -- they can't just rely on someone else to do that for them.

That said..... I wouldn't completely rule out the return of this feature in future. I just wanted to explain why it doesn't exist currently.

[electric_blue68]

30. Got it. 👍 Just remember ... B r e a t h e ... And TY!

[Rhiannon12866]

32. And if you remember, DU.2 mods could also combine duplicate OPs in LBN

Which eliminated the need to lock duplicates and all the replies were retained. My first DU "service" job was an LBN mod back in 2007.

[LuckyCharms]

31. Hang in there! You'll get it! And thanks to all involved for your hard work. n/t