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Cat in the Hat.: : As I got older I liked mysteries. Nancy Drew series was my favorite.
GreenWave
(7,124 posts)I had an Irish setter so I loved that book. At the end of the book I added to it.
"Woof! Woof! Bark! Bark! Jump up and down! Wrinkle up your nose! Run in your dog house!"
Big Red whenever I got off the bus!
debm55
(25,915 posts)GreenWave
(7,124 posts)It brought back some wonderful boyhood memories.
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(25,915 posts)wnylib
(22,087 posts)If I remember right, there were a couple books about him. I enjoyed them at a time when other girls my age were reading teen romance stories. I'd read a couple of those, too, but found Big Red refreshingly different.
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wnylib
(22,087 posts)entirely from the dog's point of view.
He is a champion pedigreed breeding dog that ends up lost in the woods and has to adapt from being a sheltered domestic animal to becoming feral to survive.
If I remember right after all these decades, his crate gets bumped off of a truck during transit. His owner searches endlessly for his champion breeder, but can't find him.
Big Red encounters a female dog eventually. I don't remember if she was a feral stray or a lost pet. They mate and Big Red helps to raise the pups, which feral dogs do when not under human control.
The rest is up to you to read. Don't want to spoil the ending.
ON EDIT: Oops! I just looked up Big Red online and realized that I gave you the wrong outline of the story. The one that I described is the 3rd in a series and is called Outlaw Red. It is about Big Red's son, Sean.
LakeArenal
(29,006 posts)I loved a series of books called:
Louise and Jean Dana. The Dana Girls.
debm55
(25,915 posts)LakeArenal
(29,006 posts)It I had read all those from the library.
Then the Five & Dime sold books and this series came out.
My allowance covered a movie, a malt and fries, a 45 record and a Dana Girls book.
I doubt kids today have half the fun.
leftieNanner
(15,243 posts)About a fire horse. Had a deeply sad part in the middle that always made me cry. Mom would walk past my room and hear me sobbing - "Oh, she's reading that book again."
Mom got rid of all of our kids books when we got older, but I was able to find a copy online and I have read it again.
I think I would put Pippi Longstocking on my list of favorites too.
debm55
(25,915 posts)ColinC
(8,416 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)rsdsharp
(9,306 posts)The Hardy Boys, and Nancy Drew, all part of the Stratemeyer Syndicate. Then it was the Heinlein juveniles, Curtis Bishops Little League books, and the Blue Sox series by Duane Decker.
But my absolute favorite book as a kid was Rookie Backstop by William Heuman. I checked it out and read it over and over. Several years ago, I tracked it down on Ebay, and now own a copy.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,852 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,353 posts)She is 12, and I told her I had read it when I was 12. I also gave her The Wee Free Men (Terry Pratchett) and two Artimus Fowl
yorkster
(1,604 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,409 posts)And when I read it to my kids it became their favorite as well.
al bupp
(2,211 posts)Read it to my children. It has stuck with me all these years. It's a true classic. Oh, and the Jules Fiefer illustrations are priceless.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Aristus
(66,723 posts)I first read it at about age eight. At the time, it was the longest book I had ever read in its entirety all on my own. I had seen the animated TV special, and someone at school told me it was based on a book; so I convinced my mother to buy it for me.
Today, I have probably ten copies of the book. A paperback reading copy. An illustrated version. The Annotated Hobbit. A German language edition, a Latin language edition, the limited edition boxed set, and so on.
Great book, is what I'm saying.
k55f5r
(227 posts). That started a multi year fascination with LOTRs. I didn't read the Hobbit until id read LOTRs twice. It seemed a little juvenile on first read, but has become my favorite by jrrtolkien.
Aristus
(66,723 posts)Much more so than his purely declarative style in LotR.
Like the trolls fighting in the chapter "Roast Mutton": 'Soon they were fighting like dogs, and calling one another all sorts of perfectly true and applicable names in very loud voices.'
British wit doesn't get any drier than that.
Welcome to DU.
lapfog_1
(29,295 posts)and for many years after... about this time of year (right after Halloween), I would read "The Lord of The Rings".
Something about late fall early winter, a big easy chair... possibly a fire in the fireplace... and Tolkien.
If I was a smoker... a great big Sherlock Holmes pipe to smoke... lol. Some Longbottom Leaf of course.
ggma
(709 posts)My mom taught me to read with them
gg
debm55
(25,915 posts)NNadir
(33,630 posts)I don't read fiction anymore and only read technical works, but I recently recommended "The Source" to my oldest son, who at 29, plans to read it.
Dulcinea
(6,787 posts)I like historical fiction, & his books had strong female characters.
malthaussen
(17,291 posts)One of my more influential reads, it's kind of become a permanent touchstone for thinking about Palestine and archaeology.
-- Mal
ggma
(709 posts)When I got to the end, I started over at page one.
Loaned it out and lost it. Books were precious and expensive to own, so lesson learned.
gg
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(25,915 posts)Coventina
(27,269 posts)I then discovered Sherlock Holmes and my life-long crush began.....
Tall, thin, brainy, and emotionally unavailable and I'm hooked!!!
rsdsharp
(9,306 posts)I know its totally irrational, but I think its bad luck for me to get involved with Sherlock Holmes. In the spring of 1968 I read the Holmes stories. On May 15th an F5 tornado destroyed much of the town I lived in. I reread them in March 1969. My father died on April 1st. In 1970, a local TV station was playing the Basil Rathbone Holmes movies late on Friday nights. I was hospitalized twice in the fall of that year.
Since then, Ive only read one Sherlock Holmes story. It was required for a course in mystery and detective fiction I took in college more than 40 years ago. Ive never seen the Holmes movies starring Robert Downey, Jr. or Benedict Cumberbatch, although Id like to. Its stupid, I know, but I just cant do it.
Coventina
(27,269 posts)If it helps: You aren't missing much for the Robert Downey Jr. movies. The actors were fantastic, the material they had to work with was terrible.
The Benedict Cumberbatch is along the same vein. The first season was magic. The subsequent seasons were vastly inferior.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Do what is best for you.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Dulcinea
(6,787 posts)I've been a reader all my life!
debm55
(25,915 posts)AldebTX
(788 posts)About an older detective type lady called Miss Pickerell. She had young children side kicks.
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werdna
(556 posts)When I was young-young my mother would read it to me, and later I would read it on my own. I can still smell those cookies that Simon's Grandmother bakes! And I still have the copy my mother read to me and wrote my name in. Anyone else read this book. Here are links to some pictures to help jog your memory:
http://www.kathleendeady.com/EasyReader-1961-HurryUpSlowpokePage.htm
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/10-vintage-wonder-book-lot-hurry-1992650709
debm55
(25,915 posts)Kali
(55,074 posts)but I am definitely a reader. I read anything from food packages to instruction manuals, garbage beach novels to science texts. my son learned in his trouble making teenage years to hand me a decent book and I wouldn't pay any attention to anything for a day or two.
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(25,915 posts)lastlib
(23,540 posts)Nobody else ever got to read the library editions, because either my sister or I always had them checked out. I couldn't count the number of times I read them. Ironic, because I hated coloring in school, because I was galactically bad at it--even flunked it in first grade. It really upset my teacher, who complained to my mom about it--then had the GALL to tell Mom I was reading and doing arithmetic "with my age level"! (Hell, I was reading my older sister's high-school science book, and doing my brother's seventh-grade math! in first grade. It became a family joke that I was calculating thermodynamic field tensors instead of coloring.)
The other series I read incessantly was the Brains Benton mysteries. good books--I still have several of them.
electric_blue68
(15,263 posts)I think my folks bought me 2 of them. 🧡👍
They certainly had a surreal sense about them!
debm55
(25,915 posts)malthaussen
(17,291 posts)... or The Clue of the Screeching Owl. I've even read them as an adult for max nostalgia reasons.
Honorable mention to The Dog Who Wouldn't Be, by Farley Mowat. Mutt is everything I ever wanted in, well, a mutt.
But fairly early in the 60's, we picked up a copy of Bruce Catton's civil war trilogy The Army of the Potomac. I especially loved the first volume, Mr Lincoln's Army, and I've probably read the thing twenty times since then. I personally find it more of an epic tragedy than history, which is why I like it so much.
-- Mal
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(25,915 posts)Siwsan
(26,428 posts)It is a 'coming of age' story of a young girl. My mom gave it to me. I read, re-read and re-re-read that book.
I also read Nancy Drew. Then I moved on to endless historical biographies. I read a little bit of fiction but far prefer non-fiction.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Chainfire
(17,757 posts)I was heartbroken when I found out that Franklin W. Dixon was a woman! I had been very suspicious that the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew were the same stories, so I figured that F.W. Dixon wrote both. I was a little boy, in the early 60s; a product of the times.
After I learned the truth, I started reading non-fiction!
Silent Type
(3,346 posts)different writers, until I looked it up just now. Still liked the books.
debm55
(25,915 posts)malthaussen
(17,291 posts)... along about 1960, the publisher decided the original versions (most of which were written by Leslie MacFarlane) were too "dated" and decided to "upgrade" them. Literary quality took a quantum jump down, the books became, on average, around 30 pages shorter, and they threw in a couple of pictures instead of just having a frontispiece.
So, you lucked out if you were reading the editions from the '30s. I originally owned a mix of the old and the new, as the rewrites were ongoing when I was getting the books. The originals are just much better. Of course, after #38 it doesn't matter, since those ware all originally written in the "new" style. There are replica editions of the originals, finding them used is a much more expensive process than the nostalgia warrants.
HBs have since gone through many other evolutions, but I haven't looked at any of those. I presume the dumbing down process has continued apace.
-- Mal
debm55
(25,915 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,249 posts)Chainfire
(17,757 posts)I bet they both have dementia by now.
I read the entire series that had been published up until the time that I started noticing girls. (mid 60s) Frank and Joe had to take a backseat.
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(25,915 posts)TlalocW
(15,406 posts)Each chapter focuses on a different kid/teen sleuth - Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys, Encyclopedia Brown, etc. The final chapter consists of all the sleuths interacting with each other, and you realize that it's a re-enactment of everyone's individual chapters from a neutral/outsider perspective, and you understand that Nancy's interaction with say, the Hardy Boys had her suspecting them of doing something, and likewise, the Hardy Boys' interaction with her in their chapter, with the dialogue same or similar in both chapters that it could work either way. Same with Encyclopedia Brown. And that's when the reader discovers they're all in a mental ward for young people convinced that they're detectives.
Jrose
(891 posts)Liked the intricate illustrations. I've re-read it many times over the years, and re-interpreted its meaning too.
Also... The Wizard of Oz, by Baum, another dark adventure involving a very inquisitive and brave young woman.
debm55
(25,915 posts)electric_blue68
(15,263 posts)I read the first 3 at various youngest, younger ages. Harold, and Dr Suess had these surreal aspects. 👍
One of my favorite aunts gave me The Hobbit. With the hints of the other Middle Earth stories in there - my folks gave me the paperback edition of The LOTR Trilogy when I was ?12 in '65.
One time down in the West Village w my mom ?at 14 I got the various "Frodo Lives", and other LOTR related buttons that were so popular back then. 👍
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And finally "Way Station" by Clifford E Simak: my 2nd, or 3rd SF book. My first book was also by him: I didn't understand it all, but I was so intrigued. The first one was on my dad's side of my folks' bureau, and I asked to read it. I was ?10-11. It might have been before I read "A Wrinkle in Time" which I either read on my own, or for class. I became a Life Long Science Fiction Book fan.
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I was probably already on my way 😄🧡 to being one media-wise (TV) through The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits (Original), and Forbidden Planet! 👍 I think I saw all of those before Star Trek debuted!
I think I read some Nancy Drew. I liked her, but ended up not being a really big Mystery fan.
3catwoman3
(24,278 posts)
to re-read even now. The book was a Christmas gift when I was 12, and Im now 72.
I havent seen either of the movie versions, as I fear Id be disappointed. Ive seen trailers for both, and most of the actors chosen look nothing like the vivid images created by my imagination.
JenniferJuniper
(4,517 posts)the one with Oprah was okay, but it just didn't capture the spirit of the book or the characters.
A Wrinkle in Time was a book on a shelf in my 5th grade class. If we got our class work done early we could take a book and read it. I remember hiding that book under another so it was always there after I'd rushed through my work.
wnylib
(22,087 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)Lochloosa
(16,115 posts)It's about the destruction of the Everglades in Florida.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wahoo_Bobcat
debm55
(25,915 posts)Chipper Chat
(9,737 posts)All about camping on an island and finding tunnels to a secret inner valley with wild horses
The Island Stallion https://a.co/d/6rim4we
debm55
(25,915 posts)terip64
(1,577 posts)I still love it. 😊
debm55
(25,915 posts)peasant one
(150 posts)I didn't reread these but loved the series. They were fun reads (don't know how truthful they really were though).
debm55
(25,915 posts)raccoon
(31,165 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)Freddie
(9,309 posts)Call of the Wild, Black Beauty, Misty of Chincoteague, etc. Later on the wonderful James Herriot books. And Mad magazine.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Upthevibe
(8,175 posts)Great post!
For me, it was The Hardy Boys!
debm55
(25,915 posts)Bayard
(22,477 posts)I still have, "Green Eggs and Ham," in my library.
Then graduated to, "The Black Stallion," "Misty of Chincoteague," "Call of the Wild," and "Black Beauty." Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.
Later, I found Stephen King, courtesy of my boss on my first job, and couldn't get enough.
happybird
(4,744 posts)when I was 10 or 11 and there was no looking back!
wnylib
(22,087 posts)and started reading the rest. A new family moved in across the street from us and the oldest girl, a year younger than me, turned out to also be a Trixie Belden fan. We exchanged books and then my younger sister joined our "Belden Book Club." The three of us fancied ourselves to be neighborhood "investigators" ready to solve mysteries, or to find them where they didn't exist, except in our imaginations.
Also read Little Women over and over. Cried every time when Beth died, no matter how many times I read it. I had found it in our attic in a collection of books that had been my mother's. They included other Alcott books like Little Men and Eight Cousins. Read them all.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Niagara
(7,912 posts)Anne of Green Gables by L.M. Montgomery.
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.
The Little House on the Prairie series by Laura Ingalls Wilder.
Where the Red Fern Grows by Wilson Rawls.
A Horse Came Running by Meindert DeJong.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(3,384 posts)"20,000 leagues under the sea", "The Count of Monty Cristo". Have gifted both books many times.
debm55
(25,915 posts)happybird
(4,744 posts)Black Beauty
The Velveteen Rabbit
Where the Red Fern Grows
Bridge to Terabithia
Island of the Blue Dolphins
Alices Adventures in Wonderland with the John Tenniel illustrations
The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe
Anything written by Judy Blume
The Ramona Quimby and the Encyclopedia Brown series
debm55
(25,915 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,249 posts)I liked the Beverley Cleary books (Ramona, Beezus, Henry, etc.) and the Little House on the Prairie series. As a teen I loved Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion. I still read those Tolkien books about once every couple of years. His mythology is fascinating to me.
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(25,915 posts)claudette
(3,698 posts)Little Women
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(25,915 posts)claudette
(3,698 posts)JoseBalow
(2,915 posts)I first read it when I was 12 years old, and I've read it countless times since. I have given copies of it away dozens of times, and every time I replace it I read it again. It's truly the gift that keeps on giving!
debm55
(25,915 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,297 posts)(I read way too much. Well, I used to.)
justaprogressive
(2,292 posts)Martian Series, I read everything of his (except the Tarzan Series ) and I'll post this book twice!
OldBaldy1701E
(5,297 posts)I also read the first two novels of the Foundation series to death. I did finally read the whole thing but there was a long break between those first two for reasons. Such is life I guess.
debm55
(25,915 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,297 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,353 posts)For Christmas when I was in first grade I got 3 Bobbsey Twins books and from then on I plowed through that series, then Nancy Drew and similar series.
Also Tom Sawyer, Hans Brinker, Alice in Wonderland, mythology, biographies.
My favorite Louisa May Alcott books were Eight Cousins and Rose In Bloom.
Two that I first read when I was around 10 and have probably re-read more than any thing else are by Shirley Jackson "Life Among the Savages" and "Raising Demons" These are not her usual style at all, and they are very funny.
debm55
(25,915 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,605 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)malthaussen
(17,291 posts)... I found it so bad I couldn't get through it.
I was lucky to have the edition of WITW with the illustrations by Tasha Tudor. Technically, I still do, but it is in storage in the middle of Kentucky with most of my other books.
-- Mal
justaprogressive
(2,292 posts)*If y'all missed it you might check out the movie "John Carter"
debm55
(25,915 posts)Emile
(23,867 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)IbogaProject
(2,923 posts)That was my childhood favorite. It had depictions of bread making starting with the farm, milling the grain and the baking. It had cutaways of the infrastructure in a house. Personified animals and a type of architecture more European than modern American. Very engaging, he had many others.
debm55
(25,915 posts)gopiscrap
(23,815 posts)I had a book (two) one each in English and German
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(25,915 posts)tanyev
(42,874 posts)Still read Book 2, also titled The Dark is Rising, every winter solstice. I might feel differently if I lived in a place that actually had wintry cold and snow in December, but here in Texas its just the thing to set a winter mood.
debm55
(25,915 posts)ReadItnWeep
(39 posts)Fox in Sox
I still read it from time to time - must be read aloud - just to give myself a giggle.
"Come now, come now,
You don't have to be so dumb now."
- Fox
debm55
(25,915 posts)kairos12
(13,060 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,572 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,572 posts)Picaro
(1,574 posts)Ive always loved animals and the idea of being able to talk with the animals was simply magical to me.
There were so many. But that series touched a deep chord in me.
debm55
(25,915 posts)PJMcK
(22,144 posts)I started reading them when I was about 11 and collected them all. In high school, I reread them numerous times.
Unlike the silly movies, the novels have sophisticated terror plots and plausible characters. At the same time, the novels are marvelous travelogues with fascinating character studies. For example, in Thunderball, Fleming goes on for several pages detailing the history of the artwork on Players cigarette packages. In From Russia With Love, his descriptions of Turkey and its Gypsy people are deeply colorful. And his descriptions of food are amazing. I fell in love with caviar because of Flemings writing and in Goldfinger, the description of Bonds feast of king crab makes me hungry just thinking about it.
Of course, since they were written in the 1950s and 1960s, his writing is rooted in its time. Socially, theyve got some problems. Still, as a youngster, they provided hours of reading pleasure.
debm55
(25,915 posts)cbabe
(3,632 posts)Voracious reader of everything. But this one still shivers me.
In print for 50 years!
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/79626.D_Aulaires_Book_of_Greek_Myths
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(25,915 posts)sakabatou
(42,282 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)sakabatou
(42,282 posts)But it's been so long I don't remember.
debm55
(25,915 posts)I didn't read the entire series, but from what I heard, it gets bleak.
ReadItnWeep
(39 posts)I think I may have read one Nancy Drew. But I would read anything I could get a hold of mostly.
I don't think I ever had a desire to reread novels as a kid. Although, I have reread books as an adult that I read as a child, to see if they still resonate. Like the Outsiders. And I have reread the books that I didnt quite understand when I was younger. Like Catcher in the Rye, the unabridged Flowers for Algernon.
As far as books I would reread over and over, those would be the ones that I read myself as a child, then read again as bedtime stories for my kids. Like Dr. Seuss, I love You Forever, Tiki Tiki Tembo, Shel Silverstein etc
debm55
(25,915 posts)Demovictory9
(32,575 posts)The new reader level..a few words on a page. Go Dog go, green eggs and ham , stop pop
debm55
(25,915 posts)wcmagumba
(2,907 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)sorcrow
(429 posts)As a young kid, Barney Beagle. The theme? Every dog needs a boy (or girl).
Also, The Pokey Little Puppy.
As a sixth or seventh grader, it was Edgar Rice Borroughs, especially the Mars novels. The Frank Frazetta cover art may have played a part...
Bookishly,
Sorghum Crow
debm55
(25,915 posts)usonian
(10,228 posts)Later on, Mom urged me to read "Walden" by Henry David Thoreau.
Little did she know what she started with that.
Or, maybe she did!
magicksmom
(47 posts)Hardy Boys second.
MLAA
(17,519 posts)One of my favorite Christmas presents was a large volume of every Sherlock Holmes story.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Westcoastguy99
(14 posts)beemerphill
(467 posts)My favorite book in those years was Fire Hunter by Jim Kjelgaard.
sky_masterson
(421 posts)by Woody Allen.
Loved the dry humor.
Shellback Squid
(8,967 posts)debm55
(25,915 posts)Ziggysmom
(3,458 posts)I have my childhood copy and look at it when I need a smile.
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(25,915 posts)nuxvomica
(12,531 posts)My father had a set of the Harvard Classics and that was one of the volumes. Reading them was like being in a dream. Every writer should begin their training by reading the tales of Scheherazade.
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(25,915 posts)malthaussen
(17,291 posts)Those were Lane's translations, much less racy than RFB's.
-- Mal
The Roux Comes First
(1,317 posts)I probably read that ten or more times. I feel almost apologetic about that now after finally revisiting it a couple decades back. While perhaps the fascination of the settings and creatures, all jammed together willy-nilly in a wilderness, and the adventure of being free to investigate these phenomena as children could still be intriguing to a young person, I have my doubts. There have been so many other fabulous books for young people (and adventuresome adults!) before and since, that this one seemed to me appallingly dated.
Wind in the Willows and House at Pooh Corner, among many others, have far more staying power, even though for some reason in my youth they did not get the over-and-over again treatment that SFR did. As they say, "there's no accounting for taste"|
debm55
(25,915 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,923 posts)The first book I ever read cover to cover in English.
Very impactful to my young mind.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Attilatheblond
(2,421 posts)And my daughter got me a new copy a few years back.
duckworth969
(769 posts)Original series book adaptations by James Blish, ten books in all. Read them over and over when I was a boy.
debm55
(25,915 posts)TlalocW
(15,406 posts)Henry Huggins, Beatrice/Beezus, and Ramona books in 1st through 3rd.
About that time I also discovered the Henry Reed books about a 13-year-old boy visiting his aunt and uncle in New Jersey for the summer and deciding to open up his own research service with a local girl named Midge that befriends him. Next summer they do a baby-sitting service, and then Henry gets invited on a cross-country trip with Midge by her parents. Takes place in the 50s. I distinctly remember one minor plot line in the trip book that wouldn't fly today - Henry helping out a Native American performance group by darkening his skin so he could look "Indian."
Read my sister's Little House books one winter when I had chickenpox.
Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing and Superfudge.
In fifth grade, our teacher - looking back on it now - seemed to believe in a lot of woo. I remember her reading us a book about a woman who could read minds, and then she read us, "The Girl with Silver Eyes," about a girl with telekinetic powers searching for other kids like her. I bought the book. Funny thing - the next year, our science teacher introduced us to some of the work of James Randi, who would expose how people pretending to have powers actually accomplished their feats.
debm55
(25,915 posts)Permanut
(5,834 posts)1957; I still have it.
debm55
(25,915 posts)applegrove
(119,328 posts)by Shel Silverstein.
marble falls
(58,459 posts)... that was when I noticed very few sources ever had every detail in common with any other authority.