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Ocelot II

(115,922 posts)
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:02 PM Feb 21

Here's an entertaining grammar exercise - Which of these is correct,

and why?


11 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Old huge round Russian hideous orange agent
1 (9%)
Old round huge orange hideous Russian agent
0 (0%)
Orange Russian huge hideous round old agent
0 (0%)
Huge old hideous round Russian orange agent
0 (0%)
Hideous huge old round orange Russian agent
8 (73%)
Hideous old round huge orange Russian agent
2 (18%)
Round old hideous huge orange Russian agent
0 (0%)
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Here's an entertaining grammar exercise - Which of these is correct, (Original Post) Ocelot II Feb 21 OP
I guessed the fifth one down. I'm thinking the key is dgauss Feb 21 #1
The key is that there is a real rule in English about the order of adjectives. Ocelot II Feb 22 #5
Interesting, I learned something new I never would have figured out on my own. dgauss Feb 22 #7
I'm going dweller Feb 21 #2
Commas? likesmountains 52 Feb 21 #3
See post #5. Ocelot II Feb 22 #6
Too complicated PJMcK Feb 21 #4

dgauss

(884 posts)
1. I guessed the fifth one down. I'm thinking the key is
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:28 PM
Feb 21

the lack of commas, and then maybe... something to do with what counts as a modifier?

Ocelot II

(115,922 posts)
5. The key is that there is a real rule in English about the order of adjectives.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 12:03 AM
Feb 22

We are never taught this rule but we know it anyhow. #5 is correct. The rule is that multiple adjectives are always in this order: opinion, size, age, shape, color, origin, material, purpose. This rule is always followed, even in informal speech. We just don't know we're doing it. In the examples in this poll, we know that all but #5 sound "wrong" but we don't know why.

If you’re using more than one adjective before a noun, they are subject to a certain hierarchy. You know it’s proper to say “silly old fool” and wrong to say “old silly fool”, but you might never have thought about why – or if you did you probably imagined it was just some time-honoured convention you picked up by rote. But it isn’t. There’s a rule.

The rule is that multiple adjectives are always ranked accordingly: opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose. Unlike many laws of grammar or syntax, this one is virtually inviolable, even in informal speech. You simply can’t say My Greek Fat Big Wedding, or leather walking brown boots. And yet until last week, I had no idea such a rule existed.

In this case my ignorance does not constitute a professional emergency, since I doubt I’ve ever put adjectives in the wrong order. If you’re a native speaker, the hierarchy is ingrained in you. Only people trying to learn English actually need to know the rule.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary

dgauss

(884 posts)
7. Interesting, I learned something new I never would have figured out on my own.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 12:20 AM
Feb 22

I think the commas are still important in the sense that if that ingrained rule isn't followed, commas would be necessary for the sentence to sound somewhat sensible.

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