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RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:50 PM Mar 2013

What's your take on the mob?

We grew up in CT and followed all the Gotti trials.

When John finally went to prison, my sister would send him cards--she was married.

She got a Christmas card from John Gotti---in Marion Ill---that said in his writing "-----" Thank you for all the beautiful cards" Love, John

She called me up up and I was like holy shit!

She still has it.

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What's your take on the mob? (Original Post) RiffRandell Mar 2013 OP
A buddy worked at the Stardust when the mob controlled it. He said Casino didn't come close ohiosmith Mar 2013 #1
! Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #4
Lots of holes in the Nevada desert.... Taverner Mar 2013 #5
There really are! ohiosmith Mar 2013 #15
They were great tippers union_maid Mar 2013 #2
What's your take on the mob? Flashmann Mar 2013 #3
Me too! RiffRandell Mar 2013 #19
It's a business Taverner Mar 2013 #6
Heh! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #11
Exactly. RiffRandell Mar 2013 #18
My Corsican uncle was a close friend of the Guerini family in Marseille and the French Connection, aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #7
I can do without 'em myself. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #8
I love mob movies OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #9
John Gotti made his bones killing my brother-in-law. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #10
This is all hearsay mind you. Separation Mar 2013 #12
i think maybe The Sopranos was pretty realistic -- and I LOVED the depiction of how... MiddleFingerMom Mar 2013 #13
I loved the Sopranos, too libodem Mar 2013 #14
I'm watching it now. Very good actors. I close my eyes too. applegrove Mar 2013 #37
Plug your ears too libodem Mar 2013 #38
Just another typical capitalist institution hepkat Mar 2013 #16
They have more honor than the Kock Bros and Shmeldon Adlebrain olddots Mar 2013 #17
Used to stay in a mob owned motel near Laguardia. trof Mar 2013 #20
mob? what mob? datasuspect Mar 2013 #21
T. V. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #22
Good Grief! Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #23
Amazing. Isn't it. What are we fucking invisible! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #24
Perhaps we are! Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #25
I watched 1/2 of one show. Real gangsters aren't funny! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #27
Not funny? Ever? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #51
I had some of the real stories shared with me by a mob enforcer. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #53
They do show the brutality of innocent people. RiffRandell Mar 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #44
If you say so... Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #45
For the uninformed: tap-dancing on misery is like rubbernecking a car wreck. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #46
She is a product of suburbia.... Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #47
That's wonderful about your daughter. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #49
I think he was playing on one of sharp_stick Mar 2013 #54
Holy Crap! See how much I miss by avoiding the worthless stuff. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #56
The mob is on the take is my take on the mob struggle4progress Mar 2013 #26
Vegas was better when the mob ran it WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2013 #28
For a thorough floor cleaning, it can't be beat. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #29
Joe Bonanno had a house in Tucson Kali Mar 2013 #30
The hats are a bit much... Iggo Mar 2013 #31
Is this another Vatican thread? Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #32
One thing I know is Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 #33
About.. sendero Mar 2013 #34
They bring order to the underworld. bluedigger Mar 2013 #35
Apalachin happened exactly as the stories say.... goodthanksandyou Mar 2013 #36
Grew up in KC triguy46 Mar 2013 #39
I read a lot of true crime books LeftInTX Mar 2013 #40
I have a friend on line AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #41
The truth is interesting. Glad you could check it out. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #48
I get 5% jberryhill Mar 2013 #42
It can't hurt to have a Gotti as a friend ... Bake Mar 2013 #50
The only problem sharp_stick Mar 2013 #55
Next to the banksters, those in the mob are amateurs. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #52

ohiosmith

(24,262 posts)
1. A buddy worked at the Stardust when the mob controlled it. He said Casino didn't come close
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:54 PM
Mar 2013

to showing the shit that went down, especially the violence.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
2. They were great tippers
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:56 PM
Mar 2013

No one tipped better than mafia dudes, at any level. Even family associates who weren't even Sicilian.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
3. What's your take on the mob?
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:58 PM
Mar 2013

I've been fascinated with mob stuff since I saw Joe Vallachi in televised Senate Hearingsas a kid..
Didn't want to BE a mobster,just found them interesting......

Cool story,BTW..

I'd trust a John Gotti to hold my wallet before I trusted a Lyin Ryan.....Of course that really isn't saying much,I suppose...

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
19. Me too!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:22 PM
Mar 2013

Hate to say it, but I loved The Dapper Don. The neighborhood would light off huge fireworks whenever he was found not guilty. He wasn't innocent, but Sammy the Bull did him in.

I saw and heard he rotted away in prison with the bare minimum of care.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
6. It's a business
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:02 PM
Mar 2013

Not too different than any corporation

Do you think corporations leave people alive who rub them the wrong way?

Wish I could ask J. Clifford Baxter...

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
7. My Corsican uncle was a close friend of the Guerini family in Marseille and the French Connection,
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:05 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Antoine Guerini. Antoine Guerini was the big boss of the Corsican mafia. My uncle grew up with him in the same poor neighborhood and they remained close until the old man was murdered in a hit by a rival crime boss. My uncle could go see his old friend and was always welcomed with open arms and he would always talk about what a nice guy Guerini was to him. He said that as long as you don't involve yourself in their affairs they are just like regular people.

EDIT: I just remembered that the law school professor whose tax law course I took was an ex tax lawyer to one of the mafia crime families. He was in his late 60s early 70s and retired from practice. He'd tell stories about his experiences in class (without naming names or being too specific), imitating a goodfellas type of accent. He said they really talked and acted like we see in the movies. He said he never engaged in or counseled them in any lawbreaking and that's how they wanted it as they wanted their taxes to be clean as a whistle.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
9. I love mob movies
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:09 PM
Mar 2013

but that's about all I know of them.

I imagine I would try to avoid known mobsters but if for some reason I had to have contact with them, I would try my best not to piss them off.


on the other hand, in Texas, in my yute, one of my best friends' mom was our weed dealer. We loved hanging out at their house. We'd be watching some movie on TV and she'd breeze in with a joint and ask us to taste it and let her know how it felt as she wanted to figure out how much to charge for it. Yep, them wasn't bad times. Due to the nature of the business I am sure some of the people hanging out that we mostly ignored were probably in some kind of organised crime thing.

So I have probably been around more of them than I first thought. And I lived through it! Which is an amazing testament to their patience because, and I have many folks who can vouch for this, in my late teens I was an annoying little fuck. I thought I was funnnnnnny as hell. I still do but now I have just enough sense to realize not everyone thinks so.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
12. This is all hearsay mind you.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:16 PM
Mar 2013

My little sister was 5 when it happened 28 years ago. A guy down at the end of the street had managed to get her into the house "and do things to her." My step-dad at the time was from Queens NY and had connected friends. A few days later the guy was dropped off at the hospital parking lot and had been castrated.

That my only experience with the mob.

MiddleFingerMom

(25,163 posts)
13. i think maybe The Sopranos was pretty realistic -- and I LOVED the depiction of how...
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:24 PM
Mar 2013

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... the Sicilian/Italian(?) connections on their European journey considered them to be
nothing but second-class citizen crude and vulgar wanna-be's.
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That said, the first job I had after college was at a pretty fair-sized call center that had
gotten in on the ground floor of the industry in the 80's. Management were ALL people
who had been working at Atlantic City casinos -- not a single one of them were the type
that anyone would associate with "the mob". It was actually a fantastic place to work and
employee-oriented (though as the field got more competitive, the policies there got closer
and closer to sweatshop conditions -- though when I left they were still far and away one
of the best to work for in the business.
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Once or twice a year, the Atlantic City investors would tour the place. They looked like the
epitome of Mafiosi just over from the Mother country -- black, slicked-back hair, deep dark
blood-smudges under the eyes, UNSMILING, black overcoats no matter the weather.
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Scary, scary guys. I don't think any of us really looked directly at them eye-to-eye.
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libodem

(19,288 posts)
14. I loved the Sopranos, too
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:37 PM
Mar 2013

Watched every episode. I often closed my eyes and held my ears shut during the violent stuff but the relationship angles kept me glued. Such a good series.

 

hepkat

(143 posts)
16. Just another typical capitalist institution
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:47 PM
Mar 2013

They're all cartels. They just can't issue stock on the exchanges.

trof

(54,256 posts)
20. Used to stay in a mob owned motel near Laguardia.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

Kings Inn.
I was a TWA pilot commuting to New York from my home near Boston.
Many times my last flight would arrive at LGA too late for me to get a flight home and I'd stay at the KI.
It was cheap and had dependable transport to and from the airport.

The rooms were relatively clean but I wouldn't walk barefoot on the carpet.


I have no hard evidence for this, but it was generally accepted that the KI was a money laundering scheme and hangout for the local 'family'.

I felt safe there.
I figured they weren't gonna let anybody fuck with their operation.


For a time they operated an adjoining bar/night club.
I went in there for a beer one night and immediately saw that I didn't fit in this place.
When I saw 'Goodfellas', years later, I thought "Holy Shit! That's the Kings Inn bar!"

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
23. Good Grief!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:16 PM
Mar 2013

Those assholes put my father out of business when I was about 2 years old. Hollywood romanticizes the mob...rarely showing the suffering of their victims. Or the brutality that frequently spilled over onto their wives and kids.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
24. Amazing. Isn't it. What are we fucking invisible!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:24 PM
Mar 2013


My mother-in-law was a wonderful woman. So was Jimmy's sister.


Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
25. Perhaps we are!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:31 PM
Mar 2013

I think you had to have grown up seeing it to understand how vicious these people are. I never understood the popularity of the Sopranos
I couldn't stand the show myself...watched half an episode...that was it for me.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with that.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
27. I watched 1/2 of one show. Real gangsters aren't funny!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:37 PM
Mar 2013

Anyone living in that area had to deal with the mob.
It wasn't fun watching people living in fear.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
51. Not funny? Ever?
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:04 AM
Mar 2013

Condolences on your former brother-in-law. Your feelings are understandable.

I'm certainly no expert with respect to the mob, and a great majority of them may not be funny. But there may be one or two with a sense of humor. A great many years ago at a high school reunion, I ran into an acquaintance who became a bag man on the South side of Chicago. When a group of us got together and I asked him how he liked it, he put a subtle smile on his face, changed his voice to sound a little like a quiet Marlon Brando, and said "It's alright. But you got to go into some bad neighborhoods."

It was somewhat amusing, and he intended for it to be amusing, for him to pretend that he was concerned about his safety and going into a "bad neighborhood." He didn't mean it, and we knew it. He was simply trying to renew old friendships and be amusing.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
53. I had some of the real stories shared with me by a mob enforcer.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:12 AM
Mar 2013

To this day I'll never understand why he told me so much. I've known the mob.

I used to have coffee with Michele Sindona.
Many of the people involved were quite charming.

It is DUers that I have a difficult time understanding.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
43. They do show the brutality of innocent people.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:10 AM
Mar 2013

I love The Sopranos. I find myself disagreeing with decisions made by the "bosses" often.

Response to RiffRandell (Reply #43)

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
46. For the uninformed: tap-dancing on misery is like rubbernecking a car wreck.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:30 AM
Mar 2013

bloodthirsty and sick

I'm glad your daughter is too young to remember. That is a blessing!

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
49. That's wonderful about your daughter.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:36 AM
Mar 2013

I sent a pm to RiffRandell when I did my post on this thread telling her it was a true statement.
I will not post with this DUer again.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
54. I think he was playing on one of
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

the Congressional investigations into the Mafia. There was this really nicely dressed guy telling the congressman that the mob didn't really exist it was just a figment of movie imagination.

IIRC the guy actually said it with a straight face and is now probably the poster child of the Republican party media relations.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
56. Holy Crap! See how much I miss by avoiding the worthless stuff.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

I like datasuspect. My comment was not about him but rather re:TV.

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
28. Vegas was better when the mob ran it
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:41 PM
Mar 2013


or so I hear....

I'm from Italy originally but, contrary to stereotypes and assumptions, I only had one experience with the mob. When my dad was doing his mandatory military training he was stationed in Sicily. Usually, if you were from northern Italy you'd go south, while if you were from southern Italy, you'd go north.

Anyway, years later we always went to Sicily on summer vacation. I still remember gorgeous beaches, clear waters, the smell of oranges and lemons and the pristine Greek temples dotting the countryside.

We were near a beautiful little town called Cefalu` - one of my parents' favorite places where they'd meet often when my dad was on leave. We went inside a bar (in Italy, bars are like cafes and serve all sorts of drinks including non-alcoholic ones) to get a granata (basically shredded ice with fruit syrup or juice on top) al limone (lemon).

At the counter, there was an elderly gentleman - well-dressed in haute couture but unassuming at the same time. He was ahead of us and he too had ordered a granata al limone. The bartender informed us that they had run out of lemons (since they used fresh lemons) and that the gentleman was the last lucky one.

The gentleman looked at us - a young family, obviously from northern Italy (you can tell where someone is from by the accent), with two young girls around 6/7 years of age - and motioned to the bartender to give the granata al limone to us.

The bartender did so without uttering a word or questioning the gentleman. My sister and I protested, wanting to return the granata to the man. But my mom and dad understood this man was a VIP in town, obviously well connected. They thanked him.

My parents directed us to thank him. We did. He left. Once he had left, the bartender said that he was the kind of person you don't say no to (hint hint), that he was connected and he got things done (hint hint).
 

goodthanksandyou

(180 posts)
36. Apalachin happened exactly as the stories say....
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:28 PM
Mar 2013

The town is pronounced "ApalaKIN", but Ray Liotta pronounces it "ApalaCHIN" in the movie "Goodfellas".

I don't know if the mob exists anymore...in its traditional form, anyway.

triguy46

(6,028 posts)
39. Grew up in KC
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:42 PM
Mar 2013

Knew a guy whose dad owned a bar that was a mob joint. I asked to go there with him for a beer, he politely declined and suggested I find other amusement. The mob was a real deal there, bombings, killings, money laundering, and its ties to Vegas money as related in "Casino."

LeftInTX

(25,316 posts)
40. I read a lot of true crime books
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:05 AM
Mar 2013

Donnie Brasco is a pretty good book about the mob. FBI agent who goes undercover. They all start out as thugs. Most of them are hoodlums and bullies as kids. They start crime when they are young. Most are high school drop outs. For the most part, they sound like they are unpleasant people. They don't sound like nice people.


John Gotti, Carlo Gambino etc look nice on TV, but they are one person at the top. In order to get to the top, they kill a lot of people at the bottom.

They kill each other all the time. They are cut throat and ruthless.


Essentially, they are no different than MS13, Bloods and Crips. Just more mainstream and sophisticated.

Sounds like your sister saw John Gotti on TV and got a crush on him. Of course John Gotti is going to provide fireworks for his neighborhood. He's trying to win the court of public opinion.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
41. I have a friend on line
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:33 AM
Mar 2013

Who claims he really is Yakuza in Japan. He said he started at 15 years old.. I asked many of his close friends and they said, yes its true. I never did ask him if he had a full body tattoo. Maybe some day, when I get brave enough.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
50. It can't hurt to have a Gotti as a friend ...
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:44 AM
Mar 2013

Ain't illiegal .. and it sure doesn't hurt!

I knowI'd sure rather not be on Tony Soprano's shit list!



Bake

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
55. The only problem
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:52 AM
Mar 2013

being when your new friend asks for a favor.

"Hey do ya' mind if we pull into your back yard for a few minutes?...Just stay inside and close the blinds. Can I borrow a shovel?"

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