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We grew up in CT and followed all the Gotti trials.
When John finally went to prison, my sister would send him cards--she was married.
She got a Christmas card from John Gotti---in Marion Ill---that said in his writing "-----" Thank you for all the beautiful cards" Love, John
She called me up up and I was like holy shit!
She still has it.
ohiosmith
(24,262 posts)to showing the shit that went down, especially the violence.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)ohiosmith
(24,262 posts)union_maid
(3,502 posts)No one tipped better than mafia dudes, at any level. Even family associates who weren't even Sicilian.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)I've been fascinated with mob stuff since I saw Joe Vallachi in televised Senate Hearingsas a kid..
Didn't want to BE a mobster,just found them interesting......
Cool story,BTW..
I'd trust a John Gotti to hold my wallet before I trusted a Lyin Ryan.....Of course that really isn't saying much,I suppose...
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Hate to say it, but I loved The Dapper Don. The neighborhood would light off huge fireworks whenever he was found not guilty. He wasn't innocent, but Sammy the Bull did him in.
I saw and heard he rotted away in prison with the bare minimum of care.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Not too different than any corporation
Do you think corporations leave people alive who rub them the wrong way?
Wish I could ask J. Clifford Baxter...
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Even though Gotti was a "murderer" they weren't getting tax $$.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:45 PM - Edit history (1)
Antoine Guerini. Antoine Guerini was the big boss of the Corsican mafia. My uncle grew up with him in the same poor neighborhood and they remained close until the old man was murdered in a hit by a rival crime boss. My uncle could go see his old friend and was always welcomed with open arms and he would always talk about what a nice guy Guerini was to him. He said that as long as you don't involve yourself in their affairs they are just like regular people.
EDIT: I just remembered that the law school professor whose tax law course I took was an ex tax lawyer to one of the mafia crime families. He was in his late 60s early 70s and retired from practice. He'd tell stories about his experiences in class (without naming names or being too specific), imitating a goodfellas type of accent. He said they really talked and acted like we see in the movies. He said he never engaged in or counseled them in any lawbreaking and that's how they wanted it as they wanted their taxes to be clean as a whistle.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)but that's about all I know of them.
I imagine I would try to avoid known mobsters but if for some reason I had to have contact with them, I would try my best not to piss them off.
on the other hand, in Texas, in my yute, one of my best friends' mom was our weed dealer. We loved hanging out at their house. We'd be watching some movie on TV and she'd breeze in with a joint and ask us to taste it and let her know how it felt as she wanted to figure out how much to charge for it. Yep, them wasn't bad times. Due to the nature of the business I am sure some of the people hanging out that we mostly ignored were probably in some kind of organised crime thing.
So I have probably been around more of them than I first thought. And I lived through it! Which is an amazing testament to their patience because, and I have many folks who can vouch for this, in my late teens I was an annoying little fuck. I thought I was funnnnnnny as hell. I still do but now I have just enough sense to realize not everyone thinks so.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)My little sister was 5 when it happened 28 years ago. A guy down at the end of the street had managed to get her into the house "and do things to her." My step-dad at the time was from Queens NY and had connected friends. A few days later the guy was dropped off at the hospital parking lot and had been castrated.
That my only experience with the mob.
MiddleFingerMom
(25,163 posts).
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... the Sicilian/Italian(?) connections on their European journey considered them to be
nothing but second-class citizen crude and vulgar wanna-be's.
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That said, the first job I had after college was at a pretty fair-sized call center that had
gotten in on the ground floor of the industry in the 80's. Management were ALL people
who had been working at Atlantic City casinos -- not a single one of them were the type
that anyone would associate with "the mob". It was actually a fantastic place to work and
employee-oriented (though as the field got more competitive, the policies there got closer
and closer to sweatshop conditions -- though when I left they were still far and away one
of the best to work for in the business.
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Once or twice a year, the Atlantic City investors would tour the place. They looked like the
epitome of Mafiosi just over from the Mother country -- black, slicked-back hair, deep dark
blood-smudges under the eyes, UNSMILING, black overcoats no matter the weather.
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Scary, scary guys. I don't think any of us really looked directly at them eye-to-eye.
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libodem
(19,288 posts)Watched every episode. I often closed my eyes and held my ears shut during the violent stuff but the relationship angles kept me glued. Such a good series.
applegrove
(118,648 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)I hate that part.
hepkat
(143 posts)They're all cartels. They just can't issue stock on the exchanges.
olddots
(10,237 posts)but forgeddaboudit
trof
(54,256 posts)Kings Inn.
I was a TWA pilot commuting to New York from my home near Boston.
Many times my last flight would arrive at LGA too late for me to get a flight home and I'd stay at the KI.
It was cheap and had dependable transport to and from the airport.
The rooms were relatively clean but I wouldn't walk barefoot on the carpet.
I have no hard evidence for this, but it was generally accepted that the KI was a money laundering scheme and hangout for the local 'family'.
I felt safe there.
I figured they weren't gonna let anybody fuck with their operation.
For a time they operated an adjoining bar/night club.
I went in there for a beer one night and immediately saw that I didn't fit in this place.
When I saw 'Goodfellas', years later, I thought "Holy Shit! That's the Kings Inn bar!"
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)there is no mob.
that's just on teevee
fuhgeddaboutit
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Those assholes put my father out of business when I was about 2 years old. Hollywood romanticizes the mob...rarely showing the suffering of their victims. Or the brutality that frequently spilled over onto their wives and kids.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)My mother-in-law was a wonderful woman. So was Jimmy's sister.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I think you had to have grown up seeing it to understand how vicious these people are. I never understood the popularity of the Sopranos
I couldn't stand the show myself...watched half an episode...that was it for me.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with that.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Anyone living in that area had to deal with the mob.
It wasn't fun watching people living in fear.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Condolences on your former brother-in-law. Your feelings are understandable.
I'm certainly no expert with respect to the mob, and a great majority of them may not be funny. But there may be one or two with a sense of humor. A great many years ago at a high school reunion, I ran into an acquaintance who became a bag man on the South side of Chicago. When a group of us got together and I asked him how he liked it, he put a subtle smile on his face, changed his voice to sound a little like a quiet Marlon Brando, and said "It's alright. But you got to go into some bad neighborhoods."
It was somewhat amusing, and he intended for it to be amusing, for him to pretend that he was concerned about his safety and going into a "bad neighborhood." He didn't mean it, and we knew it. He was simply trying to renew old friendships and be amusing.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)To this day I'll never understand why he told me so much. I've known the mob.
I used to have coffee with Michele Sindona.
Many of the people involved were quite charming.
It is DUers that I have a difficult time understanding.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I love The Sopranos. I find myself disagreeing with decisions made by the "bosses" often.
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Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I never watched enough to know. My daughter loved the show.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)bloodthirsty and sick
I'm glad your daughter is too young to remember. That is a blessing!
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)need I say more?
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I sent a pm to RiffRandell when I did my post on this thread telling her it was a true statement.
I will not post with this DUer again.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)the Congressional investigations into the Mafia. There was this really nicely dressed guy telling the congressman that the mob didn't really exist it was just a figment of movie imagination.
IIRC the guy actually said it with a straight face and is now probably the poster child of the Republican party media relations.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I like datasuspect. My comment was not about him but rather re:TV.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)WilmywoodNCparalegal
(2,654 posts)or so I hear....
I'm from Italy originally but, contrary to stereotypes and assumptions, I only had one experience with the mob. When my dad was doing his mandatory military training he was stationed in Sicily. Usually, if you were from northern Italy you'd go south, while if you were from southern Italy, you'd go north.
Anyway, years later we always went to Sicily on summer vacation. I still remember gorgeous beaches, clear waters, the smell of oranges and lemons and the pristine Greek temples dotting the countryside.
We were near a beautiful little town called Cefalu` - one of my parents' favorite places where they'd meet often when my dad was on leave. We went inside a bar (in Italy, bars are like cafes and serve all sorts of drinks including non-alcoholic ones) to get a granata (basically shredded ice with fruit syrup or juice on top) al limone (lemon).
At the counter, there was an elderly gentleman - well-dressed in haute couture but unassuming at the same time. He was ahead of us and he too had ordered a granata al limone. The bartender informed us that they had run out of lemons (since they used fresh lemons) and that the gentleman was the last lucky one.
The gentleman looked at us - a young family, obviously from northern Italy (you can tell where someone is from by the accent), with two young girls around 6/7 years of age - and motioned to the bartender to give the granata al limone to us.
The bartender did so without uttering a word or questioning the gentleman. My sister and I protested, wanting to return the granata to the man. But my mom and dad understood this man was a VIP in town, obviously well connected. They thanked him.
My parents directed us to thank him. We did. He left. Once he had left, the bartender said that he was the kind of person you don't say no to (hint hint), that he was connected and he got things done (hint hint).
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh, sorry, I thought you said "mop".
Kali
(55,008 posts)in the husband's old neighborhood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bonanno
Iggo
(47,552 posts)...the slippers look uncomfortable, and the robes seem a tad unwieldy.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)that for every actual made mob guy there are 500 wanna be pretenders walking around
sendero
(28,552 posts)..... 0%.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)At least they are organized and discourage free lancers.
goodthanksandyou
(180 posts)The town is pronounced "ApalaKIN", but Ray Liotta pronounces it "ApalaCHIN" in the movie "Goodfellas".
I don't know if the mob exists anymore...in its traditional form, anyway.
triguy46
(6,028 posts)Knew a guy whose dad owned a bar that was a mob joint. I asked to go there with him for a beer, he politely declined and suggested I find other amusement. The mob was a real deal there, bombings, killings, money laundering, and its ties to Vegas money as related in "Casino."
LeftInTX
(25,316 posts)Donnie Brasco is a pretty good book about the mob. FBI agent who goes undercover. They all start out as thugs. Most of them are hoodlums and bullies as kids. They start crime when they are young. Most are high school drop outs. For the most part, they sound like they are unpleasant people. They don't sound like nice people.
John Gotti, Carlo Gambino etc look nice on TV, but they are one person at the top. In order to get to the top, they kill a lot of people at the bottom.
They kill each other all the time. They are cut throat and ruthless.
Essentially, they are no different than MS13, Bloods and Crips. Just more mainstream and sophisticated.
Sounds like your sister saw John Gotti on TV and got a crush on him. Of course John Gotti is going to provide fireworks for his neighborhood. He's trying to win the court of public opinion.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Who claims he really is Yakuza in Japan. He said he started at 15 years old.. I asked many of his close friends and they said, yes its true. I never did ask him if he had a full body tattoo. Maybe some day, when I get brave enough.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)Ain't illiegal .. and it sure doesn't hurt!
I knowI'd sure rather not be on Tony Soprano's shit list!
Bake
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)being when your new friend asks for a favor.
"Hey do ya' mind if we pull into your back yard for a few minutes?...Just stay inside and close the blinds. Can I borrow a shovel?"