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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsIf you won the lottery who would you tell?
And I mean life changing millions not a few K. I'm not asking what you would do with it. I'm assuming you do a lot of good charity deeds and give enough to family and friends in need but for the sake of this thread assume you still have a heck of a lot left over.
Would you post about it online?
This seems very tempting and very dumb. You'd be inundated with emails in seconds asking for help. Most probably scams. And of course there is your safety. But if you didn't tell anyone would you continue to post here as if nothing had happened?
Would you tell friends?
Again I think unless they were really good friends I'm not sure it would be smart.
Would you tell family?
I'm sure most would tell some family. But how much of your family? I'm sure everyone here has relatives they would rather not have find out this kind of thing.
Would anyone here tell no one at all?
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,615 posts)There's a couple of very close friends who I would also tell.
And that would be it.
I like being anonymous!
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)who is also my son..., and his close friend who is a CPA. Oh, I'd tell 'the ex' and let him off the hook of lifetime alimony!
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Husband and kids. I don't want any long-lost relatives to crawl out of the woodwork! LOL
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The first week is to set up financial controls (think Chan790 Inc.) so that there is no means or reason to ask me for money because I have a professional cash controller, bankers, investment analysts, people watching them all for fraud/embezzlement and no unfettered access to my own money. This is the smart thing every lottery winner should do and no lottery winner does. Sure, take a chunk of the money for fun stuff, less than 10%. Make big tax-deductible donations. Don't touch the rest. Put yourself on an allowance out of the gains and never touch the principal. Stop thinking you won the lottery and start thinking your long-lost auntie just left you an entirely-liquid corporation worth $__M. The means to create nearly-bottomless multi-generational dynastic wealth has been handed to you. People you think of as rich...like the Kennedys...have less money than your average 8-digit-winning lottery winner and they'll be rich for decades longer because they manage their wealth wisely and make it hard for themselves to spend recklessly.
Also, I'd hire private security and drivers. Edit: Lawyers too.
If this answer doesn't make it clear, not only have I thought about this, I used to be a banker...I had lottery winners. They're both bankrupt because they didn't listen to me...one guy spent half what he won (~$4M), in the first year, gambling: lotteries and casinos. The other guy couldn't spend it fast enough (cars, boats, drugs, women, booze, vacation rentals, traveling) and set nothing aside. He ended up working at IHOP, broke within 5 years. (I could have kept him in the lifestyle he wanted for decades and left as much to his kids as he won...nothing but imposing moderation and using some of the money to create revenue streams.) That's not to get into the neighbor I had growing up who won $22M and coke-partied to death within 24 months, left his ex-wife a fortune.
Why tell people? Because it's fun to be the guy with lots of money out on the town in the society pages.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)I would contact a tax attorney with experience with lotto winners. Then I would call a security company to beef up security not just in my house but in the houses of my relatives. And then I would claim the prize.
olddots
(10,237 posts)I wouldn't tell myself either then I could still want to win the lottery .
I'm so cynical/skeptical that I've never bought a lottery ticket = I don't shoot for a basket ,don't win and don't loose but remain an observer instead of a participant . Does it work for me ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO but I'm used to feeling like an alien with no home to go home to .
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)I would tell my brother. But no one else in my family.
A couple of very close friends.
Although I'd be tempted to publicly close my business down and post on my website exactly why. Then close all the email accounts attached to the business.
And that would be it.
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)then tell my husband, immediate family and a handful of my besties.
of course, we're all forgetting that there'd likely be at least one news story if the win were that large.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Because as soon as you do, and you come out to collect, you make the news, so everybody knows.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Sad, huh?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)Number 1 is my older brother whom I trust implicitly to keep his mouth shut and was a former (and very successful) stock broker/financial advisor. I was also a broker from '06 through '09, so I have a pretty good handle on how I would go about things initially.
Number 2 is an attorney we both know who specializes in dealing with high net worth clients, trusts, foundations and LLC's and the like.
Tell as few people as possible, ESPECIALLY that family member you know will blab. Tell them AFTER you have the money and you are gone (see below).
Since this subject comes up every so often, perhaps the following post I wrote back in November when the Powerball exceeded $500 mil might provide some information;
I edited the following a bit for this post, so here's the Original post.
First of all, I understand the odds against winning, but it could just as likely be a DU'er as anyone else......so ...
If you simply give it all away, then it's gone and gone forever. I completely understand the desire to be charitable, but a much better way to go about it is by using Trusts.
By setting up charitable trusts and foundations, money injected into the trust can be invested in income generating securities (Treasury Bonds, for instance) and the money given away is the interest payments the trust receives on the investments. One hundred million dollars invested in 30 year treasuries will currently pay $2.75 million per year in interest. By using that money to go to the worthy cause, the trust can exist in perpetuity. You would have the "Random DU'er Charitable Trust" giving money away for as long as you wanted - for a century or more if you liked.
Just giving away giant sums at the beginning is in the long run, a counter productive service to the charities and causes you may hold dear.
Whatever you do, DO NOT COLLECT THE MONEY IN YOUR OWN NAME!. Set up a trust or an LLC or whatever is the most appropriate entity in your state, and send the attorney to the state lottery office to "pick up the check". BTW, they don't want to and most likely won't actually give you a check (except the big one for the photo op). What they'll do is wire the funds to an account you would set up to receive it at either a brokerage firm or a bank. Some states require the winner to have their picture taken. If that's the case, insist on anonymity and/or wear a disguise. You DO NOT want your name published or your picture taken. Stay as anonymous as you possibly can. A couple years ago there were two large powerball jackpots won back to back, about 6 or 8 weeks apart. The first was won in Ohio and they didn't come forward. For a while. When they finally did, the money was received by a lawyer in the name of an obscure investment trust. The second jackpot was won by a young man in Louisiana who showed up on Good Morning America the next fucking day! Of those two, who do you think will be broke first?
You're going to need an attorney right away, preferably one who specializes in high net worth clients and/or trusts and foundations. You are also going to need a financial advisor or broker to handle the investing. Again, go with one who has a history of dealing with high net worth clients. You are going to need to take the time to set up at least two entities - the LLC or foundation and an investment account, as well as any other trusts like education for the kids, grand kids etc. You have to sit and sign documents for these so get it done before you collect.
Throw your cell phone away. Get a new one with a new number, preferably billed to a rental mailbox, NOT your home and give that number to as FEW people as possible. If you have a land line, get it disconnected.
If you don't have one, get your passport right away. After the funds settle, GET THE FUCK OUTTA DODGE!!! Put a mil or two in your checking or debit card account and get the hell gone. For 6 months at least. Preferably a year. (new text from the original --> ) Travel to the places you always wanted to go, but GO! NOW! Leave someone behind (such as the broker and/or the attorney) to handle the accounts while you are away.<--
This kind of money will bring everyone out of the woodwork, from distant cousins you never knew you had to old high school classmates to every poor schlub with a sob story. $500 million is not enough to fix everyone's problems, so learn to say NO.
Instead of just giving money to all your family members, HIRE THEM. Unless they are total morons you don't want around, hire them to help you run the trusts. Pay them large salaries with fully funded retirements and gold plated health care plans. It's better in the long run because they'll get more out of it. Unless, again, they're total morons. Then just give them a mil or two and tell them never to talk to you again!
Large sums of sudden money does strange things to people, particularly those around you. It absolutely WILL turn what you thought was a dear friend or a loved family member into someone you don't want to have around. Be prepared for such situations.
3 out of 5 big money lottery winners in this country declare bankruptcy within 5 years of winning. Don't be one of them.
Best of luck to all who bought tickets, including me!
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I can tell you that not only do you have to have your picture taken most places...every state except MD and KS requires the release of your name and most states now require you to claim in your own name in order to prevent people from circumventing name-disclosure laws...that is claims in the names of trusts and LLCs are no longer legal in most jurisdictions. You have to claim in your own name then deposit it into trust.
(This is why living on the DC/MD border, I always buy my tickets when I play in MD.)
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)Can Lottery winners remain anonymous?
No. Florida Lottery winners cannot remain anonymous. Florida law mandates that the Florida Lottery provide the winner's name, city of residence, game won, date won and amount won to any third party who requests the information; however Florida Lottery winners' home addresses and telephone numbers are confidential.
http://www.flalottery.com/faq.do
Well, if nothing else, it backs up my suggestion that the winner get out of town, ie. go on an extended vacation until the hype wears down.
My apologies for giving inaccurate or misleading information. That was by no means my intent.
It also goes to show that one should Google and/or "people search" themselves regularly to find out how much info on them is readily available.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Everyone who has not been nice all along will be long forgotten.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)the family I have left is either close enough that I want to give them some or distant enough that I have no problem leaving them out.
I imagine some would notice that I no longer post on FB about work but post about places I'm travelling to so they'd know something was up but I doubt I would get publicly into very much detail anywhere online.
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)but if I did and I won, I'd tell my wife and kids and swear them to secrecy.
I'd tell the rest of my family and a couple of friends I'd won a good few Ks and give them all a bit of money. Nothing excessive. But I'd leave them with the impression that it wasn't that much.
I'd give some money to my favoured charities.
I'd do some travelling.
I'd avoid rubbish like buying a fleet of Ferraris. Or even one Ferrari.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)but if I ever did play and won, I would tell no one because everyone would be at my door wanting a cut.
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)He won $30,000 which doesn't sound much but the median price of a 3 bedroom house in Adelaide was about $9000 at the time. He immediately had a whole flock of friends of both sexes who proceeded to party through his money before disappearing when the money was gone. Surprisingly, he was not bitter about it. He reckoned he'd had a ball.
mokawanis
(4,440 posts)everyone else would be kept in the dark as long as possible. I damn sure wouldn't say anything about it online.
In my fantasy most of the people I know would be saying "what happened to mokawanis? He won a lot of money and disappeared. I think he's in Asia somewhere, or maybe Europe."
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I wouldn't tell our daughter. I doubt she could keep it a secret, and the fewer people who know we suddenly have big bucks, the safer we'll be. I don't think I'd want to go all out on the super-big mansion, boats, luxury cars, etc. I'd rather still live in a middle-class neighborhood, although we might get/build a different house with a mega-kitchen, as we like to cook/bake. Basically, we'd still have a budget, just a far more generous one.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)then i would bail.
i would disappear.
hunter
(38,311 posts)It's probably why I don't play the lottery. It'd take a pretty damned big win to settle those student loans and medical bills.
If my wife and I had had any sense as young people we'd have fled to a nation with a rational national health care system.
We now live in a state of perpetual negative net worth, paying just enough that nobody wants to force the issue because everybody would lose.
It's a perfect financial stalemate.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)to keep my anonymity. I would tell only a few immediate family members that I know would keep it a secret. Then I would open a couple businesses (probably some likely to be successful franchises that I could have others manage). I would tell everyone else I got the start-up money playing the stock market and no longer play because I think it was luck so don't ask me for advice.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Those two states being Kansas and Maryland.
Everywhere else your law firm has to release your name or you risk having the win invalidated and the prize money not released to you in addition to possible criminal charges if you do what some guy in CT did and tried to get the lawyers that they had actually won themselves in order to keep his name from being released. Believe it or not, it's considered fraud.
AT least not at first, not without strong tax and financial guidance.
Than I would be very selective about admitting it.
olddots
(10,237 posts)it showed the effects a big lottery win could have on people .
I would tell our dogs Daisy and Bowie , they would fart and beg for treats then go back to sleep just like humans would .
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)It IS a 1945 penny though. Maybe I can sell it for a million?
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)in San Francisco.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)buy an apartment in Paris and send out postcards.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He is a partner in a four-man privately-held firm that only takes high net-worth clients, over ten million in assets.
They are quite private in all of their dealings, unless you know about them, you don't know what they do.
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