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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsYet more Mumbai photos (dial up warning); some tourist stuff
My wife and I went down to Colaba (the very posh tourist neighborhood at the southern tip of Mumbai) yesterday.
This is the Gateway of India. It was built for Queen Victoria's jubilee, but when she visited Mumbai it wasn't finished yet, so they (no kidding) threw up a cardboard model for the ceremony. Only a few decades later, they were the site of the last parade of British troops as they left a soon-to-be independent India.
These are the old barracks that now house some of Mumbai's city government. Most of Colaba is in this colonial style. Very beautiful. But falling apart.
The beautiful Taj Mahal hotel, site of the horrible 2008 attacks (among other places). I'll confess I went in there to go to the Starbucks in the lobby.
This is the St. Ignatius church, one of the oldest churches in Mumbai. It was built by the Portuguese in 15-something.
Back to my neighborhood, here are some other things I've found:
The G. T. Pork Shop. Sadly, it seems closed down.
Green coconuts for sale on the street. The guy takes a machete, chops off the top, and gives you a straw to drink from it with. Yum.
A shrine originally to Lakshmi, now to Bal Thackeray, the creepy Hindu racist guy.
Note the direction of the swastika.
A tent city (I didn't want too tight a shot since these people have little enough privacy as it is). About a quarter of Mumbai's population lives in tents like this, and hope one day to build or move into an illegal but permanent lean-to (however, the slums have waiting lists -- I wish I were kidding).
And, to end on a more positive note:
Fresh veggies for sale on the street. Indian students in America often express amazement that fresh vegetables are more expensive than a McDonalds meal in the US. A half-kilo of the okra would cost about 20 rupees (25 cents; about half a day's wages for a day laborer), while a McDonalds Spicy McPaneer (basically a cheeseburger made only of cheese) costs 200 rupees ($3, well out of reach of a poor person except for a special occasion), and the McMaharaja (a chicken and potato version of the Big Mac) costs 400. Then again, several of those visiting students also connected that to the equally surprising to them fact that often poor people are fat and rich people are fit in the US; the opposite is usually true in India. This also speaks to Indians' amazement at how equally divided wealth is in the US, which sounds strange to our ears but makes some sense once you've seen India (the entire US income distribution fits in the top 4% of India's income distribution), but that's another OP for another day...
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,610 posts)And what variety...grand buildings, homeless folks and their tent city...ancient historical buildings...
Thanks for sharing!
renate
(13,776 posts)Those are fabulous pictures. The greatest joy of my life, after my family, is to see travel pictures and watch travel shows on TV; it just knocks me out to contemplate all the wonder and variety of the world. Thank you so much for posting these, especially with the commentary.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)All of that IT money flowing to India and nothing much has changed. Must be parked in Swiss bank accounts.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)People migrate from rural India to live in those tents because they can get a little of that .com money delivering those vegetables (or whatever).
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)And a large percentage of my co-workers were from India, principally the Bangalore area and I can tell you that they were hard working, very well schooled and they all seemed to drive new Toyota Camry's. They worked hard and they played hard so when 5PM rolled around they were out the door. I never discussed whether they sent money home but I'm guessing they did. The one I got to know best said his father had a 22 acre farm (tiny by American standards) and he was saving his money so he could return to India and build a cement factory. He took a better job in New Jersey and I lost contact with him. Before he left he invited me and my then wife over for a traditional India meal -- I love Indian food -- and found out after the meal that he ordered fresh goat meat from Chicago just for this meal. I never knew goat meat could taste so good! But I ramble.
India has 3-4 times the population of America so that compounds the problems they face but they are educating their people at a rapid rate and the foundation is being built to turn things around. It takes time and it will be uneven. I realize we tend to see pictures from areas struggling the most or where strife is the greatest.
avebury
(10,952 posts)Will you get a chance to visit Jaipur while you are there? I believe that is where they filmed The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)This weekend is Calcutta, however. Hopefully I'll get some good pictures there.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)Thanks for posting these.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)We were making a positive documentary on the grounds of NILLM university in Haryana State. The "university"--I use that term VERY loosely--is one of several owned by the Rai Foundation which owns the largest number of "universities" in India. The whole Rai university thing is a major scam which may be involved in more than just scamming NGOs. The documentary crew was held hostage by Vinay Rai of the Rai Foundation for several hours until Rai was pressured to release us. His intention was to take us to court in India on bogus charges which would have detained us in the country and which may have resulted in our being "disappeared"--which Rai had threatened us with and which the native Indians with whom we made friends (and the American Embassy) cautioned us that he could do as he is a ruthless person well connected in what appears to be a very corrupt judicial and political system. We got out of India only because it was a national holiday and all the courts were closed. The American embassy was able to get us out on flights immediately after we were released by Rai.
I have traveled all over the world and to many Arab and Muslim countries and never have I as a women been treated so badly and marginalized and saw other women experiencing the same than in India. I have many fiends from India in the US and none ever want to return to live there. The level of poverty in the country is appalling and I thought I had experienced poverty in some other countries. India seemed much worse. The fact that India does not appear to invest in its national treasures, such as the Taj Mahal, is also regretful.
I am glad that you are having a nice time in India but I would recommend almost any other country before travel to India. I would never return. There are so many other wonderful places on earth to visit.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm on a diplo passport which gives me some leeway, but for people on tourist passports, particularly white people, particularly women, I say stay the hell out of this cesspool other than the pre-defined tourist areas. (And on the other hand, the diplo passport makes life more frustrating because we can't bribe officials to get anything done, so some things just never get done.)
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)is through your picture stories
mopinko
(70,090 posts)i told then that you don't go to india to have fun. it was amazing and interesting, but fun?
i had a really hard time taking a hot shower knowing that was more water than most indian families used in a month. seeing people on the street like that was just sad.
seeing poor people donating rupees and buying flowers to build marble temples while their babies starved was something that made me kinda nuts.
we also went to pune (hubby's work uses "cogs" . best food we had the whole trip was in the congnizant cafeteria. saw plenty of money trickling down there, but people still didn't think much of the electricity going in and out. just the usual.
i was very glad to get back home. brought back some stories, tho, that is for sure.