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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:06 PM Sep 2013

The chances are, after a deck of cards are shuffled, the order of that deck is unique in history!

Meaning, in the history of the world, the shuffle you just did is most likely the first time that order of cards has ever happened!

The reason for this is that there are exactly 52 factorial (expressed in shorthand as 52!) possible orderings of the cards in a 52-card deck. This is approximately 8×1067 possible orderings or specifically 80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,403,766,975,289,505,440,883,277,824,000,000,000,000 possibility's of different shuffled decks!

One fact I read was: If everyone on Earth shuffled a deck of cards properly randomly a billion times a year for a billion years, they wouldn't stand a chance of shuffling the same arrangement twice.

I thought this was amazing!!

Here are a couple of links that have more detail:

http://lookingglassclub.tumblr.com/post/24120741668/astounding-fact-1-a-shuffled-deck-of-cards-is-unique
http://www.matthewweathers.com/year2006/shuffling_cards.htm


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The chances are, after a deck of cards are shuffled, the order of that deck is unique in history! (Original Post) Logical Sep 2013 OP
Think about when they shuffle multiple decks together at a casino. Taitertots Sep 2013 #1
That is why they are really big and pretty buildings! I always love the people who...... Logical Sep 2013 #2
Roulette wheel history does matter, and people have made money on that fact. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #4
Link please. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #6
This is an early well known case... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #8
Well, maybe in the 1800s. And I think you know that the..... Logical Sep 2013 #9
You must have missed the 1990 case discussed at the Wikipedia link. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #10
So your claim is the last 10 rolls showing up on the display next to the wheel help decide what.... Logical Sep 2013 #11
No, 10 isn't enough. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #12
I can see tracking 100s of rolls on a defective wheel working. That is pretty... Logical Sep 2013 #13
Yes, those people likely believe the Gambler's Fallacy... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #14
Thanks for the links! nt Logical Sep 2013 #19
I read a story about a professor who would split his class in two... Taitertots Sep 2013 #5
Wow, interesting. The first day the lottery was open in Missouri..... Logical Sep 2013 #7
In all fairness, probability and statistics are really hard Taitertots Sep 2013 #16
LOL, that is perfect! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #18
lol. mathematicians, crazy people. n/t. okieinpain Sep 2013 #3
There's a parallel universe out there where every shuffle of the deck comes out exactly the same.... Xipe Totec Sep 2013 #15
Is that why we learned how to play bridge in my high school physics class? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #17
??? MiddleFingerMom Sep 2013 #20
 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
1. Think about when they shuffle multiple decks together at a casino.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013

Five decks is 260!
260! = 383019586083616923511749798560449187527955675230909696019130081748065147513539953348528583827
542977391377338335929401010333333934424962406009974551133984962615380298039823284896547262282019684
886083204957952331370232766276012573259255195662202471247513988912210694031932404168831858361216670
833476372721673835310730484270700226143026548338520637683911007815690066342722080690052836580858013
635214371395680329589411560515139549326741170918835402355769344000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000

8 Decks is 416!
3.84^910 (910 Digits WTF!)

(Results from Wolfram Alpha)

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
2. That is why they are really big and pretty buildings! I always love the people who......
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:18 PM
Sep 2013

look at the history results on a roulette wheel and think it matters!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. This is an early well known case...
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 07:59 PM
Sep 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Jagger

Wheels can be imbalanced enough to give you a statistical edge, a fact you can determine by
analyzing past number history.

For some more discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette#Biased_wheels

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
9. Well, maybe in the 1800s. And I think you know that the.....
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:31 PM
Sep 2013

biased wheel has nothing to do with history but where the wheel is when the ball is let loose.

History tells you nothing in this century.

The history board on a wheel is used by some to predict the next number. It is worthless.



PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
10. You must have missed the 1990 case discussed at the Wikipedia link.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:38 PM
Sep 2013

This isn't 'gambler's fallacy' stuff.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
11. So your claim is the last 10 rolls showing up on the display next to the wheel help decide what....
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:50 PM
Sep 2013

the future rolls will be?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
13. I can see tracking 100s of rolls on a defective wheel working. That is pretty...
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
Sep 2013

cool idea actually.

The people I am talking about see 10 reds in a row and expect a black is due.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
5. I read a story about a professor who would split his class in two...
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:31 PM
Sep 2013

Half would write down "Heads" or "Tails" in a matter that they thought would be random, the other half flipped a coin a couple hundred times. The professor would look at the lists and determine which group flipped their coin and which group tried to generate "random" results. It was a combinatorics class and he used the distribution of 6 and 7 streaks to determine which group was actually flipping their coin. Apparently there are a lot more 7 steaks than most people would expect.


The people looking at the history are hilarious.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
7. Wow, interesting. The first day the lottery was open in Missouri.....
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 07:28 PM
Sep 2013

a friend of mine bought a ticket using 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. The clerk laughed at him and said "you know what the chances are of that number winning?". My friend said "The same as any other set of numbers". The clerk looked shocked.
People do not understand probabilities very well.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
16. In all fairness, probability and statistics are really hard
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:09 PM
Sep 2013

You have to fight your intuition to think that 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 still has the same odds as any other number.


Ambrose Bierce - "Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math."

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