If you read only one Pit Bull thread this week, make it this one

2013-11-27T3:18:34+00:00

12 Reasons Pitbulls Are Just Big Bundles Of Love Hero dog Buster saves Telford boy Charlie, 3, from tragedy Pit Bull Named Year's Top "American Hero Dog" At the 2013 American Humane Association Hero Dog Awards and And because the morons can't tell the difference: Duncan Lou Who, Boxer Puppy With Two Legs, Refuses To Slow Down Of course, if you want to wallow in the unrepresentative, racist, negative stereotyped, reptile-brained bloodlust of the anti-dog Pit Bull haters who would execute any of these loving & lovable animals - and millions of others - simply because of the way they look , you can go to that other thread.

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

1. Or these three, all of which end in death by pit bull.

Reply to baldguy (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:24 PM

Nov 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4095099

Sorry, got a pit? Cool! Same as a gun.

Keep it away from people, from kids, control it.

Same for snakes, tigers, and dogs or cats generally!

Right?

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

2. Better:

Reply to baldguy (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:24 PM

Nov 2013

Family pit kills 2 year old while mom takes bathroom break: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/25/pit-bull-kills-toddler/2113713/

Pack of pits take out 63 year old woman on her walk, rip off arm and scalp: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/10/jogger-killed-dogs/2149843/

Seven pits maul child to death while mom studies for GED: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/17/mom-studying-toddler-mauled/2090905/

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

5. Thank you for establishing proof of my point so well & so thoroughly.

Reply to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:07 AM

Nov 2013

Wallowing in bloodlust, ignoring the astonishing rarity of a few tragic incidents & simultaneously ignoring the real reasons they occur, while promoting the idea of a pogrom against millions of innocents who have done nothing except to love & be loved by their families.

Here, this is what you want:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022855854

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

10. There are some breeds I think should not be propagated as family pets

Reply to baldguy (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:27 PM

Nov 2013

I feel the same way about border collies and I have two and love the breed, but they aren't the best breed around children even though they make great working dogs. That being said I am against any sort of breed specific legislation. People should be free to make their own choices, but they should be informed choices. I don't agree with promoting pit bulls as great family pets.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

15. You know what kind of dogs should not be propagated as family pets?

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:54 PM

Nov 2013

The ones with people that can't/won't/don't know how to train them.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

17. That's a fair statement

Reply to baldguy (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:10 PM

Nov 2013

But it doesn't change the fact that some breeds will fare better and some will fare worse given that dynamic which is inevitable. Even if the owners should shoulder most or even all of the blame for dangerous dogs, ignoring the role the breed plays seems dangerous and wrong.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)

20. Dog owners should really learn/be aware about their pets foibles, weaknesses, temperments etc.

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 07:03 PM

Nov 2013

It is common knowledge that some dogs bear supervision just like some humans and should be carefully watched.

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)

25. And they should know how to read their dog's body language.

Reply to lumpy (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:40 AM

Nov 2013

Some of those "cute" pictures of dogs and kids I've seen on the internet are scary to me when you can see the dog is stressed and its expression is clearly saying "Get me outta here!"

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)

7. German shepherds are just as evil as pit bulls, but they don't get the bad press.

Reply to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:28 AM

Nov 2013

Horrible stories, these. Still, the whole breed can't be blamed. Dogs can be brutal, any dog, especially when they are traveling in a pack and/or see someone they identify as prey.

The first story surprises me. Pit bulls are a lot like cats and love accompanying people to the bathroom.

Sounds like this is the classic case of a bad owner. Guy has a bunch of pits and grows marijuana, and the dogs had attacked before. Dogs in packs are bad news.

A toddler should never be alone with any dog, and a toddler going through a dog flap to the back yard where seven pit bulls are hanging out? That was a tragic accident. I would say shame on the parents, but I know just how resourceful and fast a toddler can be. That's why baby gates were invented.

We have a German shepherd across the street who has threatened visitors to our house, and there was a nasty springer spaniel who terrorized the children of the neighborhood when they walked to school.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

14. +1000

Reply to Still Blue in PDX (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:50 PM

Nov 2013

lumpy

(13,704 posts)

21. Any dog that shows potential aggression need training. It is true that certain breeds are

Reply to Still Blue in PDX (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 07:20 PM

Nov 2013

known for that and that fact has been proved pretty much. I have thought that some people acquire the Pit Bull just bECAUSE of their reputation for being bad boys and just don't bother training.
I grew up with a part Bull. He was a sweety pie,great with other dogs and kids, but he was trained to not be aggressive; he did damn near kill another 'trained' guard dog from his owners truck who attacked me, jumped right out of the truck window; I still have a long scar on my leg.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

3. look, dogs are animals, they never mature to intellectuals (my border collie aside)

Reply to baldguy (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:29 PM

Nov 2013

The thing is pro or anti pit bulls, what do we want?

do some people want to eliminate pit bulls from existence?
do they want the owners to be more careful?
To limit where pit bulls can be kept or go to parks?
To have owners better educated?

In my town there are 10 dogs you can't have 2 of - one is pit bulls, another is a full collie, rottweilers, etc. It does not affect me because I have mutts (usually) and can only handle one dog at a time. I don't know if anyone has been prosecuted, but it might be because many home insurance companies also limit the dogs of a certain type.

I think all the love/hate should be channeled into what do you want threads.

My question is why throw hate without really explaining what people want - hate is something I am used to from republicans, I would prefer intellectual discussion here.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

4. We have a a cadre of sociopaths who want to eliminate Pit Bulls from existance

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:35 PM

Nov 2013

In spite of the fact that Pit Bulls aren't any more or less likely to bite people than any other type of dog.

It's pure, unreasoning hatred & bigotry. And if hatred is something you're used to from Republicans, that should tell you everything you need to know about the anti-Pit Bull dog haters.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)

6. I remember when those fucking sociopaths

Reply to baldguy (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:16 AM

Nov 2013

eliminated Smallpox without the slightest regard for those who loved it.

Bastards.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

9. Nice bit of non sequitur & false equivilency you've constructed there.

Reply to CBGLuthier (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:16 PM

Nov 2013

Next, you'll be all...

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

22. We have to spell out certain words around my male border collie

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 08:23 PM

Nov 2013

Even at that he's managed to figure some of them out. Their capacity for language is amazing. With both of mine I give them all of their commands in a normal conversational tone without using any body language and they understand them all.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

23. OK, apparently I was \n't the best owner since I got my border collie when I was going through a div

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 08:51 PM

Nov 2013

learn to speak to get my attention or do something unmistakable, like if her food bowl was empty, she would pick it up and hit me with it. Or learn to speakl and say Ahhyout when she had to go. then there was when I used to walk her when I got home from work. I would always lay - lets go home, and then tke her home and feed her. One day I was walking her and saw a neighbor who invited me in to show me something, so the dog and I entered her house, while I was there , she had some left overs she had not cleared form the table and asked if I would like dinner, I agreed and sat down and ate with her family. Then her kids were having trouble with their homework, so I sat there an helped them, after a couple of patient hours, the dog was at the door yelling HOME!!! HOME!!!! Cracked us all up, From then on when ever I stayed too long, she would come to the door and say HOME.
Yes, she could spell and she also had favorite tv shows.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

24. I have two of them

Reply to hollysmom (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 08:57 PM

Nov 2013

Prior to them I had two others that both lived to 17. Of the 4, two like to watch TV. My Dog Skip is my male's favorite movie.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)

8. Pro Pit Bull threads are

Reply to baldguy (Original post)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:48 AM

Nov 2013

indistinguishable from pro gun threads. Just sayn'.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

11. 10,000:1 is even money for you?

Reply to rrneck (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:34 PM

Nov 2013

rrneck

(17,671 posts)

12. Hey man, look at your own posts.

Reply to baldguy (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:38 PM

Nov 2013

You could exchange dog references to references to an AR15 and never miss a beat. Here, let me get you started:

"He was a calm, lovable dog until he wasn't."

Run with it.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

13. 3 deaths from Pit Bull type dogs each year vs. 30,000 deaths from guns each year.

Reply to rrneck (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:49 PM

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Any question?

rrneck

(17,671 posts)

16. Wooooooow. Lookit all them x's.

Reply to baldguy (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:00 PM

Nov 2013

What's your point? Your arguments for pit bulls are no different from those offered by your average every day gun nut. And the arguments against pits are no different from those offered by anybody in GCRA. You don't have to take my word for it, go read the threads after you take a break from typing x's.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

18. It's called "scale".

Reply to rrneck (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:16 PM

Nov 2013

Six-yr-olds understand that big things are different from small things. What's your excuse?

rrneck

(17,671 posts)

19. So

Reply to baldguy (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:25 PM

Nov 2013

we can disregard someone killed by a pit bull since they are just one of a few. Good to know you aren't worried by a little ideological collateral damage.

Of course it wasn't the dog's fault, really. I've always felt that there are owners that turn them into unstable killers, since pits are certainly large and strong dogs. Any large strong dog should be handled carefully. They were responsible dog owners until they weren't I guess.