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Ask a toddler to be quiet for two minutes while you're on the phone.
The next time we want war with another country we should send a thousand 2 year olds as an advanced fighting force. After two days in theatre, the enemy will surrender and beg to be shipped to Gitmo, provided there are no children there.
I think my daughter wakes up some mornings with the goal of breaking my spirit and making me cry.
hlthe2b
(102,269 posts)I had a chance to work with a number of native peoples in several 3rd world settings earlier in my career and did not observe their young children experiencing crying jags/temper tantrums like our kids do--even a general lack of crying on planes-- or in unfamiliar settings, as they happily lay in the arms of their mother or father. As, I am not an anthropologist, nor behaviorist, I have no clue what explains the difference, but it stood out enough that I remember remarking on it with others who had worked with these populations.
My hat is off, though to parents experiencing the "terrible twos"... Maybe the soothing, unconditional love of a pup would help get them through?
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)that the 'crying on the plane' phenomenon is related to the pressure differential and a difficulty of equalizing pressure in the inner ear.
Other than that, well, kids sometimes just cry.
hlthe2b
(102,269 posts)Seriously.. I suppose they could be.
The large number of babies on the many island-hopping "puddle" jumper flights I experienced over the years made this a very noticeable issue--one that others similarly experienced- and found remarkable as well.
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)more likely the kids have minor ailments that don't let their ears equalize. The change is so fast on a plane that their smaller ear canals won't respond as quickly.
I do think it is more than just 'bad babies.' I think there is a physical thing going on in most cases.
hlthe2b
(102,269 posts)and that coincidentally might explain the less crying on planes for these children in these 3rd world populations. Doesn't explain the more general absence of crying and tantrums though.
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)the rest very well could be cultural and a reflection of how children are raised/cared for. I tend to tread a middle path between RW extremism ("It's bad parenting" and LW Woo ("Don't ever scold/punish the kids" .
Hey, I figure my kid got to 18. Now she can get therapy if she needs it.
hlthe2b
(102,269 posts)beyond the assumption/accusation of "bad parenting"--something i was in no way implying. I'm sorry that I appear to have made you defensive. That was not my intent.
I just find cross-cultural experiences and differences fascinating. I don't find it necessary or useful to place judgements on these differences
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)I'm not really feeling that. My comments were intended to reflect on the amount of extremism in the world, a trait I found kind of counter productive when it came to my parenting experience. Plus, I didn't mean to include you in one of the extreme categories.
It was more an attempt at being light-hearted than meant as a criticism. Raising kids is hard enough without trying to place hard judgements about how it's done. It could be that more "3rd world" children have learned the hard way that crying won't fill an empty belly, and have ceased to try that avenue.
I remember the old school attitude that children have to learn that the parent can't drop anything they're doing to comfort every boo-boo, and that raising the alarm ("crying" needs to be saved for real emergencies. In effect, sometimes you just had to let the kid cry in their room until they were done if you knew there wasn't really anything wrong. And, teaching kids how to behave in public can be difficult. There is a place where crying becomes a kind of blackmail against the parents to get their way. Somewhere in there is a middle way that teaches proper comportment without coddling or turning the kid into a bully.
hlthe2b
(102,269 posts)I tend to agree with your theory.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I'll pick up the damned phone when my youngest is napping and the older two are upstairs or watching TV and within 20 seconds or as soon as I get a human on the line I've got all three of the little buggers in the room yelling at me for something.
Dad, dad, dad dad DAD!, DAD, DAD, DADDY, DADDY, DAAAAAADYYYYYY!
Hang on a second please. What?
Why do we have doors?
Drives me nucking futz.
malthaussen
(17,195 posts)... you could be sitting waiting for the delayed plane for 17 straight hours without exchanging a word with the person next to you, but as soon as you pull out a book he starts yakking at you.
-- Mal