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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsI'm thinking the real Broncos got stuck in traffic on the GWB
Whomever is on the field for Denver sucks
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)fizzgig
(24,146 posts)gods bless denver and their ability to blow it
pscot
(21,024 posts)they played Seattle. That one was 33-7 Seattle at the half.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)The defensive team will always come out on top.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The defensive team's coach will put all his reserves in the game halfway through the fourth quarter so they can tell their grandkids they really played in the Super Bowl, not just stood on the sidelines and watched. That was really cool on Coach Carroll's part, making sure other players than just his starters played some downs.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)They are all over Peyton, who has no pocket protectors.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)just saying
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Indianapolis faced Chicago in the Super Bowl who had the #1 overall defense that year. Also they defeated the NY Jets who had the #1 overall in the league in a conference championship game to face New Orleans. What is odd about that is the next season they lost the Jets who were still top 10 but not as good.
There are also recent examples. Baltimore who was average in the regular season in offense and defense beat two of the top 3 defenses in Denver(they were much better at D last season) and San Francisco. The year before that, the NY Giants beat the better defense of San Francisco and New England defeated Baltimore (who had a much better D than the year after when they won the Super Bowl)
I think the difference is Seattle is excellent at offense. Wilson is top 5 in yards per attempt and Seattle is 2nd in rushing attempts, and 4th in yardage (I don't know why I assumed they were first earlier but still top 5)
R B Garr
(16,953 posts)I think LynneSinn's comment about defense is more accurate in this case. Seattle's defense was just suffocating in this game and made all the difference.
This game fit Pete Carroll's coaching philosphy as a college coach -- force turnovers and take the ball back. He's obviously gotten better at this coaching in the NFL and with some exceptional pro athletes. I don't pay as close attention to games in general unless the matchups interest me, but I've got to say this one of the most complete, balanced, dominant and talented defensive units I can remember seeing. Incredible. Congratulations to the Seahawks!
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I met more that reasons why teams like Chicago and NY Jets didn't when was they didn't have good QBs. The Jets were excellent at running the ball though.
Early in the game even when the receivers made completions they were drilled right away, I don't know how you can play defense any better than Seattle did tonight. Denver got punished for any positive yardage gain in the first half, I remember Moreno going off tackle to the left side and an army of defenders chased after him and punished him. The next play Manning completed a short pass to Thomas and Chancellor just leveled him. He completed another short pass to the TE Thomas and the linebackers leveled him. The next drives the pressure started to get to Manning since they can create pressure (plus their defenders wisely mug receivers most receivers) without blitzing they don't leave people open.
The Seattle's offense scored on every possession in the first half and that with the harder than normal tackles I imagine makes it tougher mentally, I think those 3 hits(2 by more than 1 defender) on the first drive after the bad snap set the tone very deflating for Denver, I think.
It is one thing to be the best defense but to shut down the highest scoring offense in history and holding them to 11 total yards in the first half. How many best defenses can say that?
On edit - I remember now the reason why the Cardinals had problems was their offensive line was shorthanded with two starters going out in pre-season and another one shortly after that. Kolb was getting beat up week-in-week out that he was due for a concussion, it is why Minnesota sacked Skelton liked 7 times and why Seattle destroyed Arizona.
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I remember Seattle had a game like this last season when Arizona went to Seattle but it was the perfect set-up. Skelton who was key to Arizona winning 7 of their last 9 games and could have forced overtime in one of the losses if Andre Roberts hadn't tripped in the end zone started the season against Seattle. Let me say he is a head case, he can play well but can't if things aren't going well. He started pretty well, got off to a fast start then the turned up the pressure and badly injured his ankle, he was out until Kolb suffered a concussion against Buffalo. Skelton threw a strike to Fitzgerald to set a game winning attempt which Feely missed. In overtime Skelton threw a pick against the same defensive play Kolb threw a pick to set up their game winning FG.
He did alright in the next 3 games but it was against San Francisco, @ Green Bay, Minnesota made the playoffs as well but Peterson ran all over them and the Dline spent the whole day in the Arizona backfield. I thought he played great with that kind of pressure. Arizona was 4-5 with a 10-0 lead against Atlanta, he overthrew a wide open Fitzgerald in the end zone and the coach made the impulsive decision to pull him and throw in undrafted rookie Ryan Lindley. After they settled for the FG and got the ball back Lindley fumbled for an interception return. Whisenhut left him and he couldn't move the ball at all. I was watching the game at a bar and I said damn it when Stephens-Howling was tackled at around the 40 after a successful return while everyone was cheering. He needed FG range because the offense can't move the ball. They somehow managed to take a 3-point lead and I remember late in the game I said the Cardinals should go for it on a 4th and short, odds favor you making it but I heard "not with the lead" best time to do it I say. They intercepted Ryan 5 times, Atlanta became the first team to win with a -4 turnover differential. Detroit became the 2nd team to do it this year against Dallas which was also the same day Arizona intercepted Ryan another 4 times.
A lot of useless info but Whisenhut did a horrible job of managing QBs during his tenure, he stuck with Lindley for 3 more games and finally pulled the plug after a 7-6 loss against the Jets. The next game was on the road against Seattle and he threw Skelton to the wolves. QBs in Arizona, especially inexperienced ones have a habit of forcing passes to Fitzgerald - in this case it was picked off. Next drive Clemons forces a fumble and it was all downhill after that. Seattle ended up forcing 8 turnovers, Lynch ran wild.
I probably shouldn't have included that back-story but what I'm trying to say is that Seattle beat them up 58-0, worst loss I ever seen and Seattle didn't play as well as they did in that Super Bowl. You have a QB who was pulled over a bad throw (not a big one, just the difference between 7 and 3 points) and then a coach who throws the season away by sticking w/ a guy who only makes bad throws then makes a mistake early and they just feasted.
This Super Bowl was probably the most dominating defensive performance I've seen followed either by Arizona @ home against Philly last season or Seattle's 58 to nothing shut out. You can't beat Manning the whole game, he is going to get yards and points on the board so what they did was far more impressive and their turnovers weren't gimmies, they were forced by pressure and by aggressive tackling.
R B Garr
(16,953 posts)and informative about these games. I've noticed that in the threads I've clicked on that you've responded to. You're like a walking encyclopedia, and what a great memory and recall you have about individual games and players. Very impressive. Now what are you going to do for the next 8 months until football season starts again, lol.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Even though he and I support intra conference rivals, there is no other DUer whose opinion on football I respect more.
R B Garr
(16,953 posts)now with Pete Carroll. Barring injuries, I see him keeping Seattle just as competitive as this year because his systems really work. Enjoy!
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)but I really appreciate you saying this. I rely a lot on numbers and what I can see but I know without game film and knowing what every player is supposed to be doing, I only 5% of the game and who is good and who isn't. Awsi Dooger helped me understand it better from a numbers perspective where the game isn't graded like they do with baseball. He often claims if they did, you wouldn't see cases where they overrate Tim Tebow (among the worst in the league in yards per pass attempt) but demanding more from quarterbacks that are in the top 10.
I appreciate someone values the research I put into it, I unlike most others, recognize I mostly don't know what I'm talking about as changes in-the-game and all sorts of nuances make it one of the most difficult (if not most) sport to evaluate.
I'm very interested in history of the game and one QB I'd like to see today is Otto Graham who had the big arm and fast legs-50 years before the Vicks, Kaepernicks, Wilsons, Newtons, etc. Another QB I rank among the best before this era (and Marino, Montana, Young, Farve, and Elway) is Bart Star. He is among the career leaders in yards per pass attempt and this was before the security blankets of tight ends and running backs with good hands.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)is the total embarrassment of Peyton Manning on the largest sports stage ever (speaking purely as a NE fan).
Although I wouldn't exactly switch the TV at halftime, as he's been known to rally from some serious points deficits.
Should get pretty interesting after halftime...
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Well on the bright side at least it wasn't a safety in the opening seconds
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I know.
I thought for sure the Broncos would show up after halftime.
My only beef about the whole game was that Seattle somehow let them slip through for 8 points eventually.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Once Denver scored then the game went boring.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Manning completed 34 passes and I didn't even notice, because the rest of his team didn't do jack shit.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Manning passed for more yards than Wilson.
But the 2 big things that stand out are the 4 turnovers that the Broncos had and many of those turnovers ended up as scores. The other thing that hurt is how Seattle had huge plays within seconds of the start of each half. Having a Safety on the very first play after the kickoff is not a good way to start the Super Bowl. You'd think the Broncos would find a way to turn things around for the 2nd half but instead the opening kickoff was runback for a Seattle TD.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)After all, look at Seattle in the NFC championship game -- the first play, Wilson fumbles and the 49ers recover deep in Seattle territory. Four plays later, it's 3-0. And SF would take a 10-0 lead soon thereafter. But the 'hawks kept chipping away, and came back to win. On the face of it, with their offense, there's no way Manning and his teammates should have seen falling behind by 2-0, or even 5-0, as anything but a minor blip in a game most expected to be reasonably high-scoring. But it seems like they were disheartened beyond reason by a single error that should have been easily overcome.
benld74
(9,904 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Their team including their receivers and the way their offensive line plays, with the dink and dunk quick release offense, is built to function around Peyton Manning. When Manning has a bad day (and he has had more than one bad day in post-season play and doesn't perform as well under intense pressure) the team can't overcome that. Manning had a dreadful first quarter, going three for four but with only ten yards of passing. The second quarter the Broncos kept the ball for eight of the fifteen minutes but Manning threw the deflating, momentum-killing interception and it was all for naught. Manning finished the first half with an absolutely dreadful, abysmal 46 QB rating. The second half, except for the Thomas touchdown and Welker two-pointer wasn't much better, testing the injured Richard Sherman and not completing an important pass and with the strip sack.