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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsI'm a casino dealer, ask me anything!
Well, except where I work.
I'm sitting here, mining in EVE online and will be doing so for a few hours. Ask me anything about dealing, or about the casino industry, and I'll answer it if I can!
Otherwise, have a good day.
Aristus
(66,329 posts)How often do you get tipped? How much is the average tip? Who tips better? Winners, or players on a losing streak getting out before they're broke?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)"How often do you get tipped?" It's variable depending on the game. For Blackjack, once per player, normally when the player leaves, and occasionally whenever the player receives a blackjack.
"How much is the average tip?" I'd say about ten to twenty dollars for a winner, 2.50 for a loser (Given that 2.50 is often given for 5, 15, or 25 dollar blackjacks.)
"Who tips better, winners or players on a losing streak?" Winners, hands down. However, if you're doing your job properly as a dealer, players will tip you often and regardless; Be a friend if you can, be a dealer second, be a winning dealer third in order of decreasing importance.
mokawanis
(4,440 posts)Should I quit while I'm ahead, or should increase the amounts I'm willing to risk when I play blackjack?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)The more time you spend at a casino, the better the odds are of the house winning back any money you take. There's an old addage in the casino: We don't care if you win or you lose; You win, you'll be back. You lose, your money is already ours.
Similar to DU's jury system, you take your chances.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I like that analogy
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)While I enjoy playing cards just for the fun of it, I have no intention of returning any of the money I would earn as an employ back to the casino.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Most casinos offer very competitive benefits, shared tip pooling allows for decent pay on a consistent basis, and although hours fluctuate based on the casino, you can almost always find a time to work that fits your schedule (assuming a 24/7 enterprise.)
As a personal note, I love my job. You meet fascinating people, you get great stories to tell others, and you can make some good longterm friends.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Cause they are going to build a casino within commuting distance from my home.
And I will be looking for something more in addition to the work I'm currently doing.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Casinos can open and close rapidly depending on the economy. Atlantic City just closed one of their casinos, and something like 1500 applicants tried for 50 positions in another casino.
Still, if you can get in, the job is easy, fast or slow paced (swing shift or day/grave shift, respectively), relatively easy on the body and enjoyable, so long as you have a somewhat thick skin. Plus, we've got dealers pushing 90, still dealing by choice! They love the job and just don't want to leave.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)hate about it?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Some casinos will offer "keeep your own" tipping, and those are the real goldmines if your son is a professional schmoozer. Otherwise, shared tips can land you anywhere from 10-25 dollars an hour, and if your son is good enough to land on a cruise ship, he can make anywhere from 50-100 dollars an hour on a "journey to nowhere" (a cruise out to international waters for the intents of avoiding tax purposes.)
Love: I love the atmosphere, the environment (if you can deal with smoke), the glamour and believe it or not the prestige. Often, players will comment on how amazing you are that you can do the job, when in reality, it's quite a simple affair. You feel a bit like a powerful wizard after a while.
Of special note is when you give a good player a small fortune. I've brought a woman to tears simply by paying her a few grand, even though I have no direct control over the outcome. I've never been so thanked and praised in my life!
Hate: Taking people's money, and occasionally the grumpy player. You'll deal with some abuse, and some player will go straight for what they think hurts you the most; friends, family, death threats, et cetera. In reality however, very little comes from any such player and normally they'lll be removed for good if they cross certain lines.
Taking a brief smoke break after this post, will continue to answer shortly.
Aristus
(66,329 posts)Are the pit-bosses sharp-eyed enough to notice when trouble is brewing at your table? Or do you have to signal them?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Most bosses and floor supervisors are often busy with comp requests and "hawking" (watching) high action games. However, if voices raise or tempers flare, assuming you have a half-compenent floor/boss, they will be at your side in a heartbeat. Some aggression is expected, but even over-use of the word "Fuck" will often be enough to have the staff try to calm the player.
For dealers, the most powerful weapon in our arsenal is one of two words: "Floor", being the summons for the supervisors, and "Security", which will normally end a situation before it escalates.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)started playing in late middle school when the poker craze hit school age kids. I googled after I read your post and it looks like it's recommended to go to card school/class to start.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Not very surprisingly, class consists mostly of learning the procedural breakdown, how to "Size in" to cheques (chips), proper payouts, pneumonics for proper payouts (Very little math is actually done), et cetera. The class normally costs anywhere from 150 to 400 for low to mid-sized casinos, but that is easily paid back after the first pay period.
That being said, from what I can gather, your son may be interested in being a poker dealer. "Table games" and "poker" are two completely seperate branches in most casinos, and were your son to become a poker dealer, he may be unable to play at that casino outside of "Dealer only" games.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)The school around here has classes for a lot more money - 8 week class for $800 for poker - 12 week craps for $1200. He'll need to do some investigating I think.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)However, despite the heavy initial investment, it's a great career path with much potential for advancement. From dealer to floor to pit to assistant shift supervisor to shift supervisor to casino manager and beyond. Very few places offer such potential for upwards mobility any more.
Of note: In some casinos, floor supervisors actually make -less- than the dealers, because they're salaried. Be warned of that ahead of time; designed to encourage floors up the chain of command and used to weed out "casuals", the pay cut is almost a universal thing. Many casinos prefer to promote from within rather than hire from across the country.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Dear Gods, have him take Blackjack first. Craps will murder him. Drop-chequing, the calls, the payouts, the bets (don't pass, pass, come, hardways, one-offs, buys, lays, sets, et cetera), the odds (all unwritten on the table) and the lingo will eat him alive if he's even remotely unfamiliar with how the game operates. Craps is marketable, but Blackjack will teach him the necessary fundamentals. Even for some veteran dealers, Craps is a dark mystery and will remain so: It's definitely the hottest action with the most calculation and highest potential to catch hell. Craps players can be amazing people, but they'll bite your head off and shit down your throat if you short them or perform an "unlucky" move.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)smokey775
(228 posts)I've worked armed security in downtown Las Vegas at the Four Queens and Horseshoe years ago.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Not out of paranoia or anything, but my employers are rather finnicky about online footprints. I won't even come close to answering questions like that.
That said, do you have another question, maybe?
smokey775
(228 posts)How fast will the pit bosses call security when a player gets out of hand and are your security officers armed?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)If an altercation is merely verbal, Security is called only when attempts to de-escalate fail. If that descends into a grade-A fight however, Security is on hand within around fifteen seconds to about... Maybe forty seconds? That's the longest I've ever seen a fight go on.
Our security aren't armed, but we do have contracted officers who are both armed and trained with both lethal and nonlethal measures to subdue unruly players.
That said, some things you just can't prevent or prepare for. The occasional bit of violence can slip through, providing you're quick about it and are quick on your feet.
smokey775
(228 posts)At the 4 Queens, we had a security force of about 60 armed officers, 20 per shift and, when a problem arose, we were there pretty damn quick.
Only had to draw my 9mm twice, once in the restroom on an armed individual and another time on a man who drew a knife on a dealer.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Granted, you're not supposed to bring them in, but most players don't know that (or don't care) and a fair few of our regulars are armed with pistols. In our entire operational existence, we've had only one weapons conflict, and that's when a gang member knifed a rival in the parking lot.
Wow. You certainly did have quite a lot of security, then. I know it's Vegas, but I guess I'm used to seeing the 10-15 security we have one by one as opposed to as a group.
smokey775
(228 posts)and roving patrols in the towers themselves, also security at the stage and both levels of the casino. Also, 2 officers in the parking lot and one at valet.
4 Queens took their security very seriously.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)when I go to Vegas.
I just like how everything is close as opposed to the strip even though I still stay at the Flamingo on occasion too.
smokey775
(228 posts)that went a long way towards revitalizing the Downtown area.
Haven't been there in years though.
What's nice about Downtown is everything is within walking distance as opposed to the Strip.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)I've heard of them being dealt, but only about one every two or three years, even on games that are constantly being played. The real odds of a Royal are astronomically against on almost any game.
RedCloud
(9,230 posts)Does a certain suit win?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)that the odds are better for the casino to get hit by three asteroids at once while simultaneously spontaneously sprouting seven-leaved clovers out of their fake potted plants.
To be honest, I think that if you're playing Poker and two Royal Flushes are dealt, it simply ends up a tie. Don't quote me on that because I don't think anyone in the industry has ever had to deal with it often enough for there to be a policy.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)The smaller casinos generally don't have either the license or the facilities, while larger resorts will have dedicated poker rooms.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Wish they had single zero wheels. But I always play a fixed amount on the table and winnings go into my pocket.
But the rule the more lights and blinky bling the worse the odd, right?
Craps is wild to watch. Still don't get it.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)(Sorry for the delayed response BTW, had work and sleeep.)
Some of the worst odds in the casino are some of the simplest games. Such novelties like Beat the Dealer, Casino War and the Big Six wheels are fundamentallly table games; green felt, chairs, cash drop and chips. They're played as "Straight" games even though the odds are essentially robbery.
If you're talking slot machines, most slots have roughly the same payout percentage. Unless the house is illegally rigging machines, you'll have the same chance to win on the flashy 1 cent machines as on the $25 dollar machines.
rug
(82,333 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Splitting tens is one of the cardinal sins of Blackjack, but not just for the reason you'd think of throwing away a "winning hand"; Many players believe that if you take too many cards, or the wrong combination of cards, you're "Taking the dealer's break card." For instance if you split tens against a dealer Five, and you receive two more tens for your trouble, you've somehow "stopped" the dealer from receiving one of those tens, and the rest of the players will lose.
To be clear, that is superstition alone. "By the book" players know that no matter what one person does, those actions have absolutely no direct effect upon any hand following it, including the dealer's. The problem you suffer from is when players only selectively remember the book and are looking to blame their loss on a factor within their perceived realm of control; you. If they bitch and whine hard enough at you, they might save themselves from a loss.
This is also superstition. If you wish to split tens (or Q/J or K/10 or whatever), do so with this dealer's blessing and a "Godspeed." It's your money. Hell, if you whipped out your wallet and lit fire to it, that's your right and I wouldn't stop ya. The only thing I can say is "You take your chances." Your odds aren't good, but if you're feeling lucky, go for it.
rug
(82,333 posts)Thanks. It's an interesting thread.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Find a table and settle in. Play smart and outlast them if you can, and once the table is yours and yours alone, start splitting tens against the dealer's fours, fives and sixes (twos and threes are too dangerous to risk splitting up a twenty against). When another player sits down, -let them know.- Look straight at them and tell them "I split tens against break cards." This will immediately scare off anyone who will give you shit while you retain plausible deniability.
On the flip side, if you want to clear a table for yourself, plunk yourself down in the middle of an ongoing hand, wait for the hand to resolve, and then make your declaration of intent: "Just a warning ahead of time, I split my tens." This will normally scare off the superstitious or the skittish.
Just be courteous. If a table appears to be going well, give those players the chance to finish the shoe before you sit down (superstition that it's a "good shoe" aside) and make your move. Unless you're an absolute wanker, in which case sit down, say nothing, sprawl across everyone and split everything you can any time you can. Make sure you have a shit-eating grin on your face when you do it, with a middle-finger prepped.
rug
(82,333 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)...who really know their shit!
I don't know if you have ever read up on card counting, but here's the simplest illustrative example of a time when a knowledgeable player will split tens:
Let's assume that the table is a face-up shoe, but only a single deck. In real life you will never find such a game -- the smallest "shoe" games being 2 decks in places like Minnesota where the tribal agreements don't allow hand-pitch blackjack -- but just bear with me as this is only an illustration.
So, first hand out and you're the first of six players. The cards dealt are as follows:
You (1st "base", (5, 4))
2nd base (8, 9)
3rd base (A, 3)
4th base (2, 5)
5th base (10, 7)
6th base (10, 10)
Dealer's "up" card (6)
Given that 2-6 yield a +1 to the running count, 7-9 are neutral, and 10-A are -1, we have a running count of +2 after adding and subtracting the cards for 6 players, plus the dealer.
So the hand starts playing out, and we get:
1st base -- doubles down on total of 9 vs. dealer 6, you catch another 6 for a hard total of 15. We add the +1 from that 6 to a running count of +2, giving a new running count of +3.
2nd base -- stands on "hard 17". No change to running count.
3rd base -- doubles down on "soft 14" and catches a 4 for a new total of "soft 18". Running count is now +4.
4th base -- hits total of 7, catching a 2 on first hit to make 9, and then a 9 on the second hit to make a total of "hard 18". The 2 adds +1 and the 9 is neutral so we are now up to +5. This is turning into a sweet shoe!
5th base -- stands on "hard 17". No change to count.
6th base -- He's sitting there, staring at this beautiful "hard 20"! But here is the thing. We know that our running count is +5. We also know that so far, 17 cards out of 52 have been exposed. That is roughly 1/3 of the deck. Therefore, we have to adjust our running count of +5 by multiplying it by 3/2, or the inverse of the proportion of the deck remaining. This new calculation gives us a new rough total of 5*3/2 or somewhere between +7 and +8! Advanced counting strategies may vary very slightly in how they compute the true counts needed for various decisions, but against a single deck a true count of +7 well exceeds the necessary total to make splitting tens profitable against a 6.
So, to go back to our hand in progress, 6th base splits (10, 10) and:
First split -- catches another 10! The running count is now +4 and the true count is around +6. This justifies a re-split.
First re-split -- catches an A giving a total of natural 21. Player stands and running count is now +3.
Second re-split -- catches a 3. Player stands on "hard 13". Running count is now back to +4.
Third re-split -- Catches a 10! Running count is back to +3 and true count is just about +5 after allowing for more cards having been dealt, so a fourth and final re-split (per the house rules) is called for!
Third re-split redux -- Catches an 8. Player stands on "hard 18". Running count unchanged at +3.
Fourth re-split -- Catches a 4. Player stands on "hard 14". Running count is now +4 and with nearly half a deck gone the true count is nearly a fat, juicy +8!
Dealer resolves his hand -- Exposed card was a 6. Hole card is a 10. Dealer hits "hard 16" and draws another 10 to bust! Running count ends for the hand at +2. Because the deck is somewhat rich in face cards now, it is very likely that a second hand will not deplete the deck as many spots are going to be dealt natural hands of 17 or greater.
Say this table is a $25 minimum game. Isn't it nice to be a card counter and have the power to know when it's right to potentially quadruple your expected value for a hand?
rug
(82,333 posts)I'll practice this before I go back. Good stuff.
Thanks!
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)If cards, which game? I want to learn a game but would like to know the best one to spend my time learning.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)If I'm being honest, the best way to make money at a casino is to avoid it, or get a job there.
Since you're asking about the games though, your best odds are roughly as follows:
Poker in the Poker Room
Baccarat
European Roulette (Single Zero game)
Pai Gow Poker
Craps
American Roulette (Double zero game)
Blackjack
Poker Room poker is a no-House game. We take a mild charge off your buy-in and that's the last the House sees of your money unless you gamble it on another game; you play only against other players, with no decks stacked against you.
Baccarat is essentially a 50/50 game with only a mild house edge in the form of commission if you win on "Banker" bets. I don't deal Bacc, but the majority of our big wins are from Bacc.
I'd give you a full rundown mate, but I'd suggest googling "Wizard of Odds." That's one of your best resources for gambling, outside of the Mensa Guide to Table Games, which goes into statistics, complex and real probability, et cetera.
And almost any other game isn't worth your time.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)when you work at a casino, do you ever feel like gambling there? That is, when you are dealing, do you wish you were playing? Or by working there does the novelty of it all go away and you don't like to gamble once you are off the clock?
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)and how do casinos deal with it? I mainly play poker so I'm pretty clueless when it comes to table games. Except craps. I will sometimes play craps just because it's a fun group activity. But I never expect to win. Just lose money at the slowest possible rate..
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Most Casinos can deal with counters in their own way, most passively through attrition: Even the greatest Counter can't stay awake forever, and when they get tired, they'll slip up. When they slip up and start losing, we've hooked them in that inevitably destructive trap: Trying to win back what was lost. From there, if they're on the hook, it's only a matter of time.
Otherwise, Casinos employ eight-deck "Shoes" (notoriously difficult to count), cut deep at two decks (a major hinderance to counting), and burn a card whenever dealers change. Now, there are some unscrupulous casinos that will scrub a shoe ("accidentally" drop on the floor if it's loaded in player favor), but for the most part a casino doesn't care about counters, for the following reason:
Counters can never put the game in their favor. They are essentially putting in massive effort for marginal gain, and casinos have the ability to instantly cut off any player for any reason whatsoever. A well-trained dealer can wash out an entire counting crew simply by waiting for all the players to break over 21 and then never reveal the hole card or burn card; This will scare off all but the most dedicated card counters.
Your play strategy sounds good to me. When I gamble, I gamble for the fun and the grandeur of it, not to make money. People walking into a casino expecting to make money are going to be the first ones walking back out the door without a dollar to their names.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Now, there are some unscrupulous casinos that will scrub a shoe ("accidentally" drop on the floor if it's loaded in player favor), but for the most part a casino doesn't care about counters
Unscrupulous or illegal? Because it seems to me that it's a case of the house cheating even the "honest" player. In Blackjack sometimes the deck favors the "honest" player but the "honest" player isn't supposed to know about it. In the long run, the game favors the house. The house should be happy with that, IMO. Or just stop hosting the game.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)The problem arises not with the casino itself (it's never casino policy to scrub a shoe), the problem lies with superstitious pit bosses and floor supervisors.
A lot of those guys are just as superstitious as players, and don't hold much stock in the "long game" recouping their losses. In my casino, years ago, a pit boss told a dealer, while still on an active game, "get that hundred thirty grand back in an hour. I don't care how you do it." That boss has been fired, but that's the rough mentality you may be dealing with. The bosses sometimes see someone winning as reflecting poorly on their job performance.
I've heard rumors, though, that some casinos will directly tie floor/boss bonus pay or vacation on an inverse proportion to the amount of money they lose. Again, that's just a rumor, but it may explain unscrupulous business practices.
mikeargo
(675 posts)Do casinos still offer 9/6 Jacks or Better? According to the Mensa Guide, when played (near) perfectly, you can cut the house edge to under one percent.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)It's not pretty or flashy, it's not exceptionally exciting, it's purely a grind game: Sit down, play for as long as you can, hope you win.
That said, some of our most avid and die-hard slots players absolutely love their video poker. Perhaps in relation to that, video poker seems to have the most high-value payous of all of our slot machines, so you may be on to something. I can't say as I have experience actually playing the game, but I read the same thing about Jacks or Better's odds.
To be blunt I just don't know enough about it to speak with any authority, though. Sorry I can't give you more than that, mate.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Or has that notion been exaggerated?
Just curious.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)In our casino, we will have you file tax papers if you attempt to cash out more than ten grand at one time, although any reasonably seasoned player will instead cash out for 9K multiple times to dodge the taxes. Every now and then we catch a player doing that, but it's so damnedably unenforcable that unless the value is ludicrously high (50k or more) we don't particularly bother with the details
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)The biggest name I can think of that I dealt to would be Tiger Woods; I dealt to him in our VIP section. Very quiet man, generally gracious, not what I was expecting and I didn't even know it was him until someone told me.
A bandmate from Hootie and the Blowfish, I think. Not that I'd know it; never followed 'em.
Someone said I dealt to Flloyd Mayweather once, but I didn't know that one either. Boxing ain't my thing, but if it's who I thought it was, -that- guy's obnoxious. I just wanted him off my table.
I dealt to one of the "Reality stars" from Jersey Shore... Paulie or Pinto or something. He didn't last long, but he wasn't as much of a yutz as I thought he'd be.
Apparently, last week I beat the hell out of an Oakland Raiders linebacker, but I'll be damned if he wasn't the most civil, funny, friendly player I've ever met! I wish I had caught his name.
I also dealt to a Houston Rocket, and while I didn't know who he was, he was the tallest player I've ever seen (easily topping seven foot tall), he had four beautiful women following him around, and almost our entire security force covering him.
So, I mean, yes, I've dealt to famous people, but famous or obscure, their money is all the same. I don't reallly notice unless someone points it out.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'm sure most of the people act so natural that is really hard to tell them apart. I'd have a hard time recognizing a boxer or basketball player as well.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Just a thank you for all the info.
I love playing blackjack! My Dad used to split 10s and piss everyone off. 😄
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Isn't that a skill?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)It's only considered a bad thing because it helps to reduce the house advantage, therefore increasing the time it takes for attrition to take effect. Mainly, it's a threat to the continuation of the casino. If I were up front with ya though, most casinos don't care unless you start really taking us for a lot all at once. Then, it's a problem.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)...and STILL couldn't catch a break to get even and out the door, when I just decided to say "fuck just playing mostly basic strategy and just changing my bet a little with the count." I started doing MIT-perfect stuff like hitting 14 against a 5 when the true count was waaaaay low, splitting 9s against an ace when it was high, and making perfect decisions regarding hit/stand against a non 8-8 16 against dealer's 10.
An hour of this and never close to being back to my original $300 on the table, and a floorperson came over and told me to never play blackjack there again as I was taking my last few chips to a different table hoping for a change of luck.
I was so gobsmacked I dropped a bunch of chips and 50-cent pieces on the floor, and the skinny fucking twit didn't even make an effort to help me pick it back up from under tables and chairs, as it had gone rolling all over the place.
Vegas has so many "sweat joints" in it now, it's not even worth trying to play for enough to cover the utility bills every month.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)With all the resources out there regarding counting, some casinos are taking the threat of counters very seriously. I caught one counter once, and even though he was a great guy and tipping us well, I casually mentioned something to a floor while I was on break. When I got back, the player was gone. Turns out he was banned simply on my casual, flippant mention. The guy couldn't have been up more than $400.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)...what does one need to spend/lose for varying degrees/levels of comps?
What's the most outrageous comp you ever saw or heard about?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)For big spenders, simply playing large amounts of money, win or lose, will "unlock" comps for you. The casinos don't really care about offering a $500 room to a guy who just lost ten grand in twenty minutes. The same logic applies in reverse: For someone who won ten grand, the comp is an incentive for that player to stick around and continue playing, with the hope that probability will swing the odds for the House the next time he plays.
Outside of a discressionary comp (above), the entire comp system is derived from a standing formula based on playtime, average bet, max and minimum bets, type of game played, overall win versus overall loss records, et cetera; sometimes the simple act of buying in for $100 worth of chips is enough to earn a comp for cigarettes or a small meal, while in other cases, betting $75 a hand on a novelty game like Let It Ride will only net you twenty bucks worth of comp; Novelty games generally accrue comp points much more slowly, as they're considered "grind games".
The most outrageous comp in terms of sheer "WTF" factor would be someone who bought in for twenty bucks on a table and asked for a thousand dollar room comp. He was deathly serious, and both I and my floor did a brief doubletake when he requested it.
The most outrageous "Give me what I want" comp was not a comp per se, but a favor in the style of reserving an entire pit for one player; no one else was allowed to play, not even on nearby tables. The guy was only betting twenty bucks a time, but I guess he has a multimillion-dollar line of credit, so we generally give him what he asks for.
BodieTown
(147 posts)I am afraid you will say no, but after my experiences during the holidays (2013), I believe they can and do.
I had another question which you may or may not be able to answer:
Slot machine "player cards" can monitor every behavior, every action you take, feeding vital information to the house about your playing habits, especially useful to them if you are also lodging with them. Can they program slots to entice you to play, to give you a win early in your stay, for example? I'm not sure if I ever want to use them again, simply because of their monitoring capabilities.
Thanks.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Technically, Casinos do have the ability to alter slot payouts, but if they get caught doing it by either the state gaming commission or even a whistleblower, the entire operation can be shut down; few casinos would risk such retaliation.
In regards to why you may or may not have won, you have to understand that slot payouts are derived from overall input versus overall output. Let's say, for example, that a machine takes in $100,000 a day. That machine, in turn, is bound by programming to return 80-90% of that money, but the rub is that it has an infinite timeline to do so. It is entirely possible, albeit unlikely, that a machine will never return its required percentage within the normal lifespan of a human.
If you were spending a large amount of money during your holiday gambling, you have to remember that there are hundreds of other people doing the -exact same thing- as you. Your thousand dollar loss and ten more losses like it may very well have been repaid in the form of a ten thousand dollar jackpot to the twelth gambler on that machine or machines, while the casino still turns a thousand dollar profit.
In regards to gaming cards: Think of them less like digital monitoring and more like "rewards cards". While we are capable of tracking your gaming habits, the sheer logistics and data analysis required to do what you have suggested on a large scale(I.E., hooking via big win, et cet) is beyond the data's programming. In my casino, for the most part, your rating card is just an easy way to monitor your comp data and get you free stuff if you ask for it.
Also, gaming cards are a bit of casino insurance for us: If you hit a jackpot, you can't try to avoid the taxes on it if you have a card, since we have your vital information (SS, license, et cet.) You'd be surprised how many people don't want to pay taxes on a 200k win. ~.~
BodieTown
(147 posts)...your answers are--what are the words?--not unexpected.
Casinos have had the ability to tighten-loosen slots at the flip of a computer switch for a long time. And if they employ the sharpest computer gurus available to them, they can hide their tracks.
One Vegas casino VIP actually bragged of the ability back in 2006. Nobody ever asked him why have the ability if you can't legally use it. Then again, if slots have an infinite timeline to return winnings to players (as you wrote), some of this starts to make more sense.
That same computer power can analyze every player, every computer in a network of casinos, in a split second. It's not a logistics/analysis problem at all, not with today's computer power.
I do appreciate your response here, very interesting and helpful.
It's the word of your employers that I don't believe or trust.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)but can you help me get revenge against the 50,000 tryhards on Dust 514? I'm sick of enduring their punishment from prototype nub cannons, bullshit orbital strikes and EZ-mode NASCAR tanks...
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)I'm the guy up in the stars digging up the minerals and whatnot you need to keep you supplied with guns and ammo. There are only a few Dust-involved corporations in EVE proper, and those guys... I don't wanna mess with those guys.
I came to the conclusion long ago that there's no such thing as a fair fight, sadly enough. There's a good chance that if you're getting skynuked, there's about a hundred ships up there watching the planet and waiting for their time to nuke as well.
Take cover?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)for Best Actress in a Drama for the film "Casino"?
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)If there's no ante, how does the house makes its profit?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)to the odds of hitting a jackpot? I was once told the end machines have more peoole playing them and are more likely to pay out.
Also, I prefer the trqditional slot machine, the ones with matching bars, diamonds, a few cherries, etc. Are those machines losing popularity to the video machines? (I also prefer the 'reel' real slots as oppozed to the video versions.)
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