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UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:01 PM May 2014

What do these cards mean in tarot. Or is it a bad magic curse?????!1

So today is a beautiful Spring day and I was in and outside doing the rationed watering, and when I got to the SouthWest corner, there were two playing cards on the ground, about a foot apart, face up: a 5 of Clubs and an Ace of Hearts.

Hmmmm. For reasons of non-disclosure, there is a reason for the concept of a "curse" to be included in the options for answering the question, "WTF?!1"

Or they might have blown in by the wind. Or kids might have thrown them. But, but they landed? FACE UP and in proximity? Just trying to add any possible relevancies. Oh, look, one of them is the Poseidon brand (Hoyle?) and the other is a non-matching brand of 40+ tiny rows of geometrics (like tiny new moons).


This might seem incongruous on such a beautiful new day but the mockingbirds and the crows have nests set up and have been verbally abusing the dogs and me for a couple of weeks, plus physically chasing and pecking the neighbor's tuxedo cat, so there's some creepiness in the air!1

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What do these cards mean in tarot. Or is it a bad magic curse?????!1 (Original Post) UTUSN May 2014 OP
inre: tarot Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #1
Thanks!1 So a peasant is in love with me?!1 n/t UTUSN May 2014 #4
That is no curse LaurenG May 2014 #2
Thanks, but hmmm... so no harm plus advice? And the message is from whom? And why did they UTUSN May 2014 #3
Where did the cards come from? Why did you think it was a curse? LaurenG May 2014 #5
Exactly: I *don't* know where (& why) they came from. & it's been a year or so since I posted UTUSN May 2014 #6
You put those cards there. Avalux May 2014 #12
Haha!1 Your subject title startled me on first glance, till I saw the larger meaning!1 UTUSN May 2014 #13
So you're an existentialist without even trying! Avalux May 2014 #14
Well, I am my own depth, so there's that. nt UTUSN May 2014 #17
It means that someone somewhere isn't playing with a full deck. Orrex May 2014 #7
Haha, only recently have I been becoming aware of your humor, am crowning you new Taterdude!1 UTUSN May 2014 #8
For the win! Le Taz Hot May 2014 #9
From a "playing cards divination" site, some (definitive?!1) answers: UTUSN May 2014 #10
O.K., Lounge: Who out there is proposing a financially advantageous marriage to me???!1 UTUSN May 2014 #11
did you know anyone who enjoyed playing cards who died? orleans May 2014 #15
Is your will in order? Seriously get it in order whistler162 May 2014 #16
It may mean there's somebody out there who's not playing with a full deck struggle4progress May 2014 #18

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
1. inre: tarot
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:27 PM
May 2014

five of clubs = five of wands in Tarot
In divination, the suit of wands represents the element of fire and gives information relating to the traits of the fire element in astrology. Additionally it represents the peasant or farmer class of feudal society (the Latin suit is commonly called Staves or Rods), and relates to simplicity and to nature, as well as to poverty and submission.
In The Book of Thoth, the suit of wands is associated with the action of the Will and the element of fire.
The suit represents the rural Third Estate (the farmers, laborers, and peasants).

Ace of Hearts
Card reading
The Ace of hearts Tarot card is very rare. It represents passion/love and also success in business or finance. People who receive the Ace of hearts enjoy luxury objects. Ace of hearts "gravitate to strong independent women". They are also "romantic and passionate by nature".[7] While the Ace represents independence and a desire to lead, the hearts represents the season of Spring.[8] As the heart signifies emotion, any heart card has a bearing on one's closest relationships (mother-son, husband-wife etc.).[7] Although the meaning of the card is "the "desire for love", it can also represent the desire for money due to the Ace of Diamonds Karma Card.[9] In fortune telling, the card has been known to represent love and happiness.[7][10]

In Reverend Edwards Taylor's book "History of Playing Cards", he talks about a unique pack of cards that were "probably issued immediately after the Restoration". On these Tarot cards, the pips were French, and the figures were imitations of the Atouts. The Ace of Hearts had a figure of Hermes Trismegistus.[11]

The Tarot deck Le Normad Carten were favourites throughout Europe. Each card had a meaningless picture on it, and a male or female figure dressed in 1850s fashion. If the inquirer is male, he is represented by the Ace of hearts. It, along with the Ace of Spades (representing a female), can also represent spouses or lovers. These two cards dominate and control the rest.[12] When a man is the inquirer, the cards are read by counting how near or far the are to the Ace of hearts, and using this method to deduce which of the Tarot card's 4 meanings are used.

more at wikipedia

LaurenG

(24,841 posts)
2. That is no curse
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:41 PM
May 2014

more like a message.

Five of Wands Tarot Card Meanings and Description

In the Five of Wands, five men wave around their wands chaotically without any regard for each other and appear to be in direct competition with each other and engaged in conflict. However, on closer observation, their wands are only raised and are not striking anyone. It is possible that they are actually enjoying themselves in this chaos with no real intent to harm anyone. The men wear different coloured clothes to symbolise the various backgrounds and belief systems that are held by the world’s populations.

Ace of Cups Tarot Card Meanings and Description

The Ace of Cups shows a hand holding a cup or chalice that is overflowing with five streams of water. The hand that appears from the clouds represents our consciousness of spiritual energy and influence. Radiating from the hand are rays which symbolises that you must always trust your inner feelings and your heart to lead the way. This is your intuition and inner power talking to you. The five streams represent the abundance and power of the spirit and the effect of spiritual energy upon our five senses. A dove holding a wafer or small disc in its mouth descends from above, signifying the incarnation and appearance of the spirit in the material world. Below the hand is a great sea covered with lotus blossoms, symbolising the awakening of the human spirit. The cup has an upside down M or a W inscribed on it.

UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
3. Thanks, but hmmm... so no harm plus advice? And the message is from whom? And why did they
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:05 PM
May 2014

feel compelled to offer it me (unasked)?

LaurenG

(24,841 posts)
5. Where did the cards come from? Why did you think it was a curse?
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:10 PM
May 2014

If you look at all of life and everything in it as a learning experience, that would be a message.

This was all about seeing beyond first appearances and using your intuition/trusting your gut. Have you been misjudging the crows and mocking birds as creepy instead of just looking at it as different species having fun? Something like that anyway.

UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
6. Exactly: I *don't* know where (& why) they came from. & it's been a year or so since I posted
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:26 PM
May 2014

Last edited Sun May 18, 2014, 09:31 AM - Edit history (1)

about renters next door, and their parties and their dog jumping the fence, so that's a bit of context for some of my leaping to "creepiness." And I love animals and believe they have as much right as I do, and the birds certainly have the right to defend their space and babes, even if I'm no threat, but I don't relish getting pecked. I mean, yesterday's news had an alligator in somebody's pool and a bear inside a sleeping dude's room, so yes it's about their eating, swimming, and defending, but I'm running the other way haha!1

As for their "fun" HITCHCOCK saw their other side:

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
12. You put those cards there.
Sun May 18, 2014, 04:23 PM
May 2014

Or - the universe did, based upon what you've been thinking about lately.

Are you going through any sort of 'awakening' of how you perceive the world around you? Seems to me that you are being urged to trust your intuition and your heart, that whatever you're facing requires this as you move forward; and that you should have fun doing it.

UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
13. Haha!1 Your subject title startled me on first glance, till I saw the larger meaning!1
Sun May 18, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

(I took it physically literally at first.)

Yeah, the wonderful Loungees have opened up the positive interpretations.

Back in the early '70s when the waning of Hippies had passed through Street people and chemical experimentations (not mine) and had morphed into health foods, vitamins, and Jane FONDA workout videos, there was also some creepiness in the air, with New Age babbling and astrology and Carlos CASTANEDA’s brujoism. But I had observed it all without being touched. I had started into Existentialism since high school 1963-65, in my usual dilettante way, never getting too deep into anything.

So I was hitchhiking in the evening and a dude with a goatee stopped for me, fine. He said he hoped I wasn’t creeped out that he had a python in the back seat in a cage. I was, but it was in a cage, so, fine, sort of. So as we tooled on, he told his story, that he had come from Colorado, that, more precisely, he had ESCAPED. That he had been a member of a group of something like Satanists, that they were able to materialize creatures, that when he started driving out of Denver creatures summoned by the group that didn’t want for him to escape were bouncing around inside the car until he got far enough away.

I said that I was really creeped out, afraid for myself right about now. We had talked about SHAKESPEARE, a sonnet of whose he had recited with proper Period accent and theatrical cadence, and I had mentioned Existentialism. When I said I was afraid of his experiences, he said, “Oh, you don’t have anything to worry about: You’re an Existentialist, they can’t do anything to you.”

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
14. So you're an existentialist without even trying!
Sun May 18, 2014, 04:47 PM
May 2014

That's usually how it happens though - you've had brushes with it and observed it but hesitant to get in too deep.....yet still curious....

and then one day, you're minding your own business and two playing cards appear that get you thinking enough to wonder what it MEANS, and then you ask people you know, us here, hoping to figure it out (or maybe just have fun?). The universe is so clever! I think it's time to admit you are an existentialist, embrace it fully, and by all means have fun with it!!!

BTW - your friend with the snake was just a crazy freak.

UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
8. Haha, only recently have I been becoming aware of your humor, am crowning you new Taterdude!1
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:23 AM
May 2014

And I choose to let pass that I might be in the mix for not playing with the full deck!1

UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
10. From a "playing cards divination" site, some (definitive?!1) answers:
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:54 AM
May 2014

*********QUOTE********

http://auntietarot.wordpress.com/2012/01/01/playing-cards-clubs-2/
[font size=5]CLUBS
The suit of Clubs is associated on the one hand with friends and relationships and on the other with money and finances.
Five of Clubs – A prudent marriage.[/font]

Apart from Etteilla, all authorities consulted concur that the 5 of Clubs forecasts a marriage, most often a financially advantageous one. Otherwise it is a card of friendship, denoting either help from friends or the forging of alliances. There is one voice of dissent: ‘you may have a fight with a close friend’. As it runs counter to the general flow, it is possible that this meaning can be discounted.

Etteilla has the 5 of Coins/Diamonds representing ‘Love. Lover or Mistress, Spouse (Husband or Wife). Reversed: Muddled, Disorganization, Debauchery.’ This meaning is reflected in delineations given to the Tarot’s 5 of Wands. Note yet again a crossing over from the suit of Diamonds/Pence to that of Clubs/Wands.


http://auntietarot.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/playing-cards-hearts-1/
[font size=5]Ace of Hearts – The house. If attended by Spades, it foretells quarrelling – if by Hearts, affection and friendship – if by Diamonds, money and distant friends – if by Clubs, feasting and merry-making.[/font]

All the motifs are related to the general meaning of the Hearts suit – love, joy, marriage and the home. Certain readers have emphasized one aspect more than the others while some readers have tried to tick as many boxes as possible.

Etteilla does not seem to have affected the meaning of the Ace of Hearts at all – unless the table spread with food is intended as the paradigm of a happy home. It is unclear whether this was implicit in Etteilla’s meaning or whether it evolved from his meaning as cartomancers attempted to wrest some sense out of his Table, Meal, Feast, or whether it grew up as a separate, unrelated tradition.

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UTUSN

(70,758 posts)
11. O.K., Lounge: Who out there is proposing a financially advantageous marriage to me???!1
Sun May 18, 2014, 11:11 AM
May 2014

Many years ago, in the far before internet days, I used to carry the day's newspaper with me arriving at the watering hole after work. Some of the working girls and their boss lady got wind that the horoscope was the dessert after the news and started flocking around to get their horoscope.

So one day the boss plunked herself next to me and demanded hers. I started reading, "This will be a good night for romance."

She said, "Holy crap!1"

I read, "In fact, you are entering the best part of your year for romance."

She said, "Holy crap!1"

I read, "There will be something in the air that will intensify."

She said, "HO-LY CRAP!1"

I read, "A Gemini will be the best partner for the romance."

*********She SPUN AROUND and bellowed to the room, "WHO'S A F***ING GEMINI IN HERE?!!!!!!1"

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